Congrats Gostkowski: AFC STer of the month!

[tombonneau]

Dump on Adam all you want, but he would have been trotted out for that 48-yarder ...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Dump on Adam all you want, but he would have been trotted out for that 48-yarder ...

Umm . . . the Adam Vinatieri who only tried three kicks of 40+ last season, and made none of them?

The same Vinatieri who had the same gross kickoff average playing in a dome that Gostkowski did in the frigid Northeast?

The same Vinatieri who missed an easy-as-heck 29-yarder to win a game last year? [I don't care if it's raining; if he could make a 20-yard XP, he should be able to make a <30-yard FG.]

The same Vinatieri who's only 5-of-8 on FGs this year?

The same Vinatieri who missed one FG and had another blocked in SB38?

You sure BB would count on Vinatieri?

 

[Imperator]

Why does it have to be a pick and choose? Adam was great, absolutely spectacular when he had to be (namely those kicks in the 2001 divisional playoff game vs Oakland & ensuing Superbowl with that walkoff field goal), very few people would have made those kicks. Gostkowski has been everything we could ask for and then some. He hasn't missed all that often, and is perfect in pressure kicks, not to mention his booming kickoffs. He's arguably the best place-kicker in the League today.

Nothing wrong with both reminiscing about what Adam did for us, and enjoying what Gost is doing for us now.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Why does it have to be a pick and choose? Adam was great, absolutely spectacular when he had to be (namely those kicks in the 2001 divisional playoff game vs Oakland & ensuing Superbowl with that walkoff field goal), very few people would have made those kicks. Gostkowski has been everything we could ask for and then some. He hasn't missed all that often, and is perfect in pressure kicks, not to mention his booming kickoffs. He's arguably the best place-kicker in the League today.

Nothing wrong with both reminiscing about what Adam did for us, and enjoying what Gost is doing for us now.

I agree. There's nothing wrong with reminiscing about AV. Nevertheless, it's hard to argue that AV this year and last has been as good as, let alone better than, Gostkowski over the same time period.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Why does it have to be a pick and choose? Adam was great, absolutely spectacular when he had to be (namely those kicks in the 2001 divisional playoff game vs Oakland & ensuing Superbowl with that walkoff field goal), very few people would have made those kicks. Gostkowski has been everything we could ask for and then some. He hasn't missed all that often, and is perfect in pressure kicks, not to mention his booming kickoffs. He's arguably the best place-kicker in the League today.

Nothing wrong with both reminiscing about what Adam did for us, and enjoying what Gost is doing for us now.

Because Adam is a Colt. That means he is the very embodiment that is all that is evil and wrong in the world. While Gostkowski is a Patriot and represents all that is good and right in the world. Why is this so confusing? The respect and admiration I have towards a player is based solely on what laundry he wears Sunday. Adam wears the wrong laundry.

 

[tombonneau]

Umm . . . the Adam Vinatieri who only tried three kicks of 40+ last season, and made none of them?

The same Vinatieri who had the same gross kickoff average playing in a dome that Gostkowski did in the frigid Northeast?

The same Vinatieri who missed an easy-as-heck 29-yarder to win a game last year? [I don't care if it's raining; if he could make a 20-yard XP, he should be able to make a <30-yard FG.]

The same Vinatieri who's only 5-of-8 on FGs this year?

The same Vinatieri who missed one FG and had another blocked in SB38?

You sure BB would count on Vinatieri?

Yes. I am sure. Adam would not have lost the coach's confidence by kicking out of bounds.

 

[Imperator]

Because Adam is a Colt. That means he is the very embodiment that is all that is evil and wrong in the world. While Gostkowski is a Patriot and represents all that is good and right in the world. Why is this so confusing? The respect and admiration I have towards a player is based solely on what laundry he wears Sunday. Adam wears the wrong laundry.

Talk about short term memory loss then. Just because he's a Colt now instantly erases what he's done for the team in the past?

I guess it's not really all that hard for me to understand, I just don't like fickleness.

 

[Imperator]

I agree. There's nothing wrong with reminiscing about AV. Nevertheless, it's hard to argue that AV this year and last has been as good as, let alone better than, Gostkowski over the same time period.

Agreed, whole-heartedly.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Talk about short term memory loss then. Just because he's a Colt now instantly erases what he's done for the team in the past?

I guess it's not really all that hard for me to understand, I just don't like fickleness.

It is not short term memory or being fickle. I root for laundry not individual players.

When Welker was a Dolphin I didn't like him, but now I do. When Adam was Patriot I liked him, now I don't.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes. I am sure. Adam would not have lost the coach's confidence by kicking out of bounds.

You're entitled to that opinion, just as I'm entitled to think that Vinatieri would have already screwed up BB's confidence in him long before the SB with his lack of distance/power.

 

[tombonneau]

You're entitled to that opinion, just as I'm entitled to think that Vinatieri would have already screwed up BB's confidence in him long before the SB with his lack of distance/power.

To each their own alternate reality.

 

[Imperator]

It is not short term memory or being fickle. I root for laundry not individual players.

When Welker was a Dolphin I didn't like him, but now I do. When Adam was Patriot I liked him, now I don't.

I agree, root for the players on your favorite team, nothing wrong with it at all. But you still didn't address my initial point: Why is Adam irrelavant to Patriots fans now because he's with another team? Yes, I know, that other team is our rival Colts, but regardless. The blantant unacknowledgement of him is a spat right in the face of his accomplishments as a PATRIOT IMO.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

To each their own alternate reality.

True. But I'm not the one assuming that Vinatieri is still money at 45 yards+.

 

[tombonneau]

True. But I'm not the one assuming that Vinatieri is still money at 45 yards+.

I just said he would have been trotted out for the attempt. I prefer the % chance of AV hitting that FG than the % chance of NE converting 4th & 13 or whatever it was.