IcyPatriot

Yeah ... that must be it.

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captain insano

thats what i was thinking.

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NEPatriot

Papi gotta go because he hasn't been productive lately. I would rather see Bay get paid than Papi.

jcdavey

i think he got off roids or hgh

and before you claim me being a hater, i'm a padre fan and i half expect adrian gonzalez to be on roids

hard to trust anyone these days (manny cheated and i though he was just natural lol)

WhiskeyBreath

Ortiz is getting paid no matter what so the money isn't a concern.

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patsfanofNC12

The one thing with Roids is that you will get bigger on them, and when you get off you will start to look different. Papi started skinny but got fatter instead of more toned and muscular, and I think steroids would have helped him get a more ripped and less fat body. I am not saying I'm right, because I could be wrong. Just my opinion. Also, read this article below about Ortiz and how he could have lied about age. Also if you notice his home run stats slowly rose and then declined. Here is the line from a rookie to today: 1, 9, 0, 10, 18, 20, 31, 41, 47, 54, 35, 23, 1. It is not like he suddenly spiked in power like most people say, his power slowly rose and peaked in 2006, and now might be declining.

Ortiz picture as a rookie:
http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc...rtiz-ultra.jpg

Ortiz picture during big season 2006:
http://images-cdn01.associatedconten.../300_72400.jpg

Ortiz now:
David Ortiz Pictures - New York Yankees v Boston Red Sox - Zimbio

Article on Ortiz:
Bill Simmons - It's hard to say goodbye to David Ortiz - ESPN The Magazine

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IcyPatriot

Yeah ... so what do you say now about the list of 104???

list of 104 players - Google News

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IcyPatriot

Are you still thinking the list does not exist?
http://news.google.com/news?um=1&ned...=all&scoring=n

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cartmen

I dont think anyone said there wasnt a list. They were saying where and who said that Papi was on it. The link provided proves nothing that you said and every single one of those articles is written like a fan and not a true journalist. Words like Cheater and Liar being used is the proof and frankly makes those articles useless

BTW Papi is back hitting .345 over the last 3 weeks. His power is back to all fields so looks like this discussion could be over

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Pessimistic Pete

The people who wanted to bench Papi are the same people who thought Matt Cassel was the worst QB in NFL history.