The OFFICIAL Patriots vs Bills PostGame Thread

[Big-T]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I just Shalize Mansa Young (excuse my spellling please) say that BB is going to personally take over the coaching of the Defensive Backs and a more hands on approach to the defense in general going forward.

About time! Hopefully that means he knows there's a problem and both coaches in the secondary get fired and replaced by competent staff.

People on here have seen that Boyer/Flores are the weak link and I bet Pepper is as sick as a parrot that Patricia was given the DC gig over him.

[RodThePat]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I just Shalize Mansa Young (excuse my spellling please) say that BB is going to personally take over the coaching of the Defensive Backs and a more hands on approach to the defense in general going forward. I don't know where she heard that, but that is what she said. They don't want Boyer to go anywhere near Talib either. BB is going to coach him personally according to her. We have all complained about the coaching. I really believe that is the problem. BB needs to get better coaches for his defense. Other than Pepper Johnson, I don't trust any of the defensive coaches.

Belichick has surrounded himself with guys that don't present any "threat" to his authority and control on the defensive side of the ball. Most of our coaches were slowly brought into his system, and completely adhere to his philosophy. It's time to bring in someone with a new perspective, someone who's willing to challenge Bill on the coaching front. When you are in a position where everything you say is the gospel, and nobody has the guts to contradict you on it, people tend to become a little complacent. We have too many "yes-man" on the coaching staff, and while having coaches Belichick trusts, and helped bring up is important, you also need some outside views.

[NYCPatsFan]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I just Shalize Mansa Young (excuse my spellling please) say that BB is going to personally take over the coaching of the Defensive Backs and a more hands on approach to the defense in general going forward. I don't know where she heard that, but that is what she said. They don't want Boyer to go anywhere near Talib either. BB is going to coach him personally according to her. We have all complained about the coaching. I really believe that is the problem. BB needs to get better coaches for his defense. Other than Pepper Johnson, I don't trust any of the defensive coaches.

Wow! Hope its true, and if yes, it brings in excellent results.

[PatsWickedPissah]

Originally Posted by Big-T

About time! Hopefully that means he knows there's a problem and both coaches in the secondary get fired and replaced by competent staff.

People on here have seen that Boyer/Flores are the weak link and I bet Pepper is as sick as a parrot that Patricia was given the DC gig over him.

Sitting behind the bench Sunday I sadly noted that Pepper now walks with a cane. Am I Captain Clueless just noticing this or is it new?

[PatsWickedPissah]

Originally Posted by RodThePat

Belichick has surrounded himself with guys that don't present any "threat" to his authority and control on the defensive side of the ball. Most of our coaches were slowly brought into his system, and completely adhere to his philosophy. It's time to bring in someone with a new perspective, someone who's willing to challenge Bill on the coaching front. When you are in a position where everything you say is the gospel, and nobody has the guts to contradict you on it, people tend to become a little complacent. We have too many "yes-man" on the coaching staff, and while having coaches Belichick trusts, and helped bring up is important, you also need some outside views.

It seems that way but I find it hard to believe that a truly competent and self confident manager would feel the need to do that. Maybe I'm biased because I was a manager in the high tech computer industry where it was imperative to surround yourself with the brightest possible folk which often led to "interesting" discussions sometimes at high volume.

[DefenseRules]

Originally Posted by Big-T

About time! Hopefully that means he knows there's a problem and both coaches in the secondary get fired and replaced by competent staff.

People on here have seen that Boyer/Flores are the weak link and I bet Pepper is as sick as a parrot that Patricia was given the DC gig over him.

I agree. At first, I blamed the players, but now I am starting to look at coaching. There are serious flaws in the technique of the Dbs. Someone is not coaching them right. How long have Flores and Boyer been coaching anyway?

[Big-T]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I agree. At first, I blamed the players, but now I am starting to look at coaching. There are serious flaws in the technique of the Dbs. Someone is not coaching them right. How long have Flores and Boyer been coaching anyway?

Brian Flores (31 years old) - Became special teams assistant in 08/09 after being promoted(?) from being a scout, it's his first year as safeties coach.

Josh Boyer (35 years old) - Graduate assistant from 2000, DB coach at Bryant in 04 then went to the Patriots after being DC for a year at some College I've never heard of.

So masses of experience!

[MoLewisrocks]

Originally Posted by Joker

Like I said..you go GET that BB....he was the one who called a three man rush on third and nine at the Bills 22...it just LOOKED like Patricia made that call...BB made ALL the calls, you're right...I'm gonna go over here-------------> and carry on ,OK?...you go get that BB...

Bill doesn't wear that headset to make a fashion statement. And he has the initial and final say on gameplans, particularly on defense. Patricia like RAC and Eric (who had a little more input until BB took his headset away midway through his lone season as a DC here) are conduits, period. The buck stops with BB. He's the one who has to beat some situational sense into McDaniels and he's the one who makes the fundamental call on whether we play coverage and feature that ugly soft zone defense or get aggressive up front and remain stout against the run.

A bad day at the office by multiple defenders (penalties, missed tackles) exacerbated the situation yesterday. But you never saw Bill grabbing Patricia's headset or screaming into his own, what you saw instead was that befuddled look again on BB's mug like why isn't it working... It may just be because he hasn't managed to secure the kind of talent it takes to make that scheme work and/or because he refuses to throw in the towel on his scheme and adapt it to the talent he has at hand. Those philosophical decisions are, as they say, made above Matt Patricia's pay grade. Bill's coordinators are never more than an extension of Bill. Unlike in places where the HC is one sided and either his OC or DC in fact brings a scheme of their own to the table or the GM is in charge and reliant on a HC or coordinators to provide a scheme that fits his talent or provides him a blueprint on which to base future acquisitions.

More experienced assistants may at times have forced Bill to think outside his comfort zone box. But then again butting heads with him is what ultimately led to Eric's departure, and probably Pees departure, while the desire to stand alone clearly drove RAC's departure which hasn't exactly panned out for him. RAC was never the genius behind the earlier defenses. He was just the experienced installation and maintenance technician on what were generally more talented and and increasingly system veteran heavy defenses. This defense is a whole other kettle of fish, most of whom are young and inexperienced and some of whom are vastly lesser talents.

[randomk1]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I just "heard" Shalize Mansa Young (excuse my spellling please) say that BB is going to personally take over the coaching of the Defensive Backs and a more hands on approach to the defense in general going forward. I don't know where she heard that, but that is what she said. They don't want Boyer to go anywhere near Talib either. BB is going to coach him personally according to her. We have all complained about the coaching. I really believe that is the problem. BB needs to get better coaches for his defense. Other than Pepper Johnson, I don't trust any of the defensive coaches.

Edit: Sorry guys. I typed too fast.

God i hope that's true. It just ain't working right now.

[Marqui]

Originally Posted by DefenseRules

I just "heard" Shalize Mansa Young (excuse my spellling please) say that BB is going to personally take over the coaching of the Defensive Backs and a more hands on approach to the defense in general going forward. I don't know where she heard that, but that is what she said. They don't want Boyer to go anywhere near Talib either. BB is going to coach him personally according to her. We have all complained about the coaching. I really believe that is the problem. BB needs to get better coaches for his defense. Other than Pepper Johnson, I don't trust any of the defensive coaches.

Edit: Sorry guys. I typed too fast.

If true, then there goes the "coaching isn't a problem" argument.