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Old 10-04-2011, 04:17 PM   #41
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I don't see how you can possibly gain 1,000 yards in one season in the NFL if that was your actual strategy, never mind 13 TDs (or 16 in the last 20 games).

When defenses are almost solely focused on the passing attack, it's not hard at all to put up 1,000 yards.

13TDs is a byproduct of goal line playcalling. If they call your number enough on the goalline you're going to get TDs. I don't recall BJGE making many amazing TD runs. It's more of a 'right place, right time' situation.
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When defenses are almost solely focused on the passing attack, it's not hard at all to put up 1,000 yards.

13TDs is a byproduct of goal line playcalling. If they call your number enough on the goalline you're going to get TDs. I don't recall BJGE making many amazing TD runs. It's more of a 'right place, right time' situation.
We've not had a RB that's put up those kinds of numbers since Dillon (five years ago), and you have to go back to 2004 to find the last 1,000 yard rusher for the Patriots, so it's hard to agree with your scenario that "it's not that hard."

That also includes 2007, when the pass offense was at its peak.
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If you group RBs into inside runners, outside runners and 3rd down/receiving backs, BJGE and SR would both fall into the inside runner category. That is the only way I was referring to them having the same style.

I didn't say BJGE was all of a sudden useless, it just appears that Ridley is a better player and I want the better player to get the majority of the playing time. As time passes I'd like to see Ridley eventually round into about 60% of the carries with BJGE and Woodhead seeing about an even split of the remaining 40%.

BTW, BJGE doesn't drag people with him, he falls forward. Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Adrian Peterson, etc. carry guys with them. BJGE hits guys and falls forward.

Also, I don't see BJGE finding too many holes. He goes where he's told to go. Sometimes he makes a minor adjustment in his path, but he usually just runs into the line whether there is a hole or not. It's actually a good strategy for him because he doesn't have the athletic skill to improvise. He certainly makes the most out of the limited skills that he has.

I second this. I love BJGE. But Ridley looks like he might be a plus/impact player. A running back who can make unblocked defenders miss and run away on the second level can gain a ton of yards with the way defenses load up to stop Brady. All of those 70-80 yard games BJGE racks up could turn into 100-120-yard games with the right kind of runner, and Ridley might be it.
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It seems like Ridley is quicker with vision and BJGE is a stick his head down and gets 3-4 yds......Both can run when they get thru the hole, but Ridley just looks faster and shiftier....and breaks thru for longer runs....

Nice duo to have in the backfield...but I tend to agree that Ridley will be getting more carries as he develops and picks up his blitz blocks when needed...Stevan getting a few swing passes is what I'm waiting to see.....Not sure BOB has the vision to see this aspect of Ridley's game tho...

Ccome on, surprise us Doubting Thomases BOB....
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Glad to see aspects of Patsfans are going to start denigrating the accomplishments of BJGE given 1000 yard rushing seasons grow on trees.

Note to the idiots, you don't need to put down the Law Firm to praise the volcano (yep, I've ordained him as he looks ready to explode on every play) rookie in Ridley.
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We've not had a RB that's put up those kinds of numbers since Dillon (five years ago), and you have to go back to 2004 to find the last 1,000 yard rusher for the Patriots, so it's hard to agree with your scenario that "it's not that hard."

That also includes 2007, when the pass offense was at its peak.
Maroney and Morris combined for 270 carries, 1219 yds, 4.5 ypc, 9 TDs

If it wasn't for Maroney's injury issues, he would've had an almost identical season to BJGE last year. Maybe a few less TDs as the were scoring from deeper more often in 2007.

Seriously, nothing against Green-Ellis, he just isn't all that talented. He was a nice workhorse last year, but he's not a long term NFL starting RB.
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Maroney and Morris combined for 270 carries, 1219 yds, 4.5 ypc, 9 TDs

If it wasn't for Maroney's injury issues, he would've had an almost identical season to BJGE last year. Maybe a few less TDs as the were scoring from deeper more often in 2007.

Seriously, nothing against Green-Ellis, he just isn't all that talented. He was a nice workhorse last year, but he's not a long term NFL starting RB.
Not that talented but rushed for the 16th most yards in the NFL in 2010 (in a passing offense with a HOF QB going nuts) and 2nd most rushing touchdowns in the NFL.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Ridiculous comment.
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Glad to see aspects of Patsfans are going to start denigrating the accomplishments of BJGE given 1000 yard rushing seasons grow on trees.

Note to the idiots, you don't need to put down the Law Firm to praise the volcano (yep, I've ordained him as he looks ready to explode on every play) rookie in Ridley.

No one is denigrating BJGE. I'm sure we all appreciate what he's done, but we should also appreciate that we have a potential improvement on the roster.
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No one is denigrating BJGE. I'm sure we all appreciate what he's done, but we should also appreciate that we have a potential improvement on the roster.
When you describe someone as "not that talented" then follow that up with this comment, I don't think you need me to draw you a picture of that hypocrisy.

I have no problem with using a 4 man RB committee of Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead and Green-Ellis. They all offer something different, with Vereen the great question mark I'm waiting to see.
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Not that talented but rushed for the 16th most yards in the NFL in 2010 (in a passing offense with a HOF QB going nuts) and 2nd most rushing touchdowns in the NFL.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Ridiculous comment.

Wow, 16th! That and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee.

Ryan Grant was in the top 10 two years in a row, over 1200 yds each year, now he's a back up to a 6th round 2nd year player. Unless you're an elite back your job is continuously in jeopardy.

I don't know what the big deal is about admitting that Ridley looks way better out there than Green-Ellis ever has.
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