patsfan13

Thanks for the post some info I wasn't aware of. Good job Shmessy!

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

shmessy

Thanks, but it was Joker's idea - he found the stuff, recovered it, pasted it in the regular board last night and had requested it for stickyhood.

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fgssand

Thank you so much for the STICKY and putting this in a place we can all direct the uninformed to go in order to educate themselves.

I am tired of trying to right all the misconception - same as the correct call being made in the raider Snowbowl game.

Good job!!

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NYCPatsFan

AT LAST!!

Thank you very much!!

I hope it is ok to post the following links to other threads because in addition to providing links to published article/opinions on the subject, these threads containd discussions that offer more insight and different - and sometimes aggravating - viewpoints.

Thanks!

Bill Cowher on 98.5

HOF Voter leonard Shapiro of the Wash Post Repeats Tomase's Libel

Gregg Easterbrook thinks the pats may be cheating

wahwho

I believe I still have the original HTML for this site somewhere if anybody wants it for anything. I'd have to look around a bit though as I think it's on old archive DVDs.

PatsFanInVa

tempting innit?

PatsFans.com Article

SpyGate: The Most 'Overblown' Story of the Decade
By: Russ Goldman

It's a new year and a new decade, and there's a word that finally needs to be buried, much in the same way head coach Bill Belichick buried the football back in 2001 following a loss to Miami....

CLICK HERE TO READ THIS STORY

MassPats38

Good article, Russ, but unfortunately it boils down to haters gonna hate. The problem with Spygate is one of illogic, not logic so as long as fans envy the success of the Pats this candle will continue to burn. Every time the Pats sniff the playoffs, fans will say "there is no way this team can be THAT good" and suspect cheating. The Pats unquestionably violated a rule, but the NFL threw "competitive advantage" conclusions out there without explaining what that phrase really meant. Given the magnitude of the fine, fans were left to infer that the advantage was huge.

The only way Spygate becomes a memory is the Patriots become the Patsies and no longer compete, meaning the team lacks relevance in championship discussions. At that point, fans will claim the NFL scrutiny took away the advantage and now the team is as it should have been then (validating the belief of fans that the Pats cheated to win, despite the fact this event may come years or decades later). Given the nature of the NFL game, those statements are pure garbage, but, short of the NFL producing all records with investigator commentary similar to your observations, the absence of a competitive team is the only way this story dies.

Nordberg

This video spoof is what those tinfoil hat wearers really think was going on.

YouTube - Exclusive New England Patriots Spy Video Stolen From NFL

upstater1

I'm hoping that in several years I can look back on Spygate and realize that it was the reason why Belichick tore it all down, began building again, and stuck around another 10 years to coach the Patriots to 3 more Super Bowls.