If Randy is claimed on waivers,..... - New England Patriots Forums

hallfamebrady · 11-01-2010, 04:16 PM

I have some items to think about if Randy gets claimed off of waivers. I am basing these comments based on previous observations and previous comments from different people. The questions include:

1. What happens if Randy decides not to report to any team who claims Randy via waivers? Will he be fined and what can the acquiring team do?

2. Does acquiring team get the third round draft choice the Patriots supposedly would have received in 2012 if Randy goes elsewhere via free agency? I recall some people stating that we eventually gave Randy away for nothing since we would have received a 2012 pick if he left at the end of the season.

3. Can the acquiring team franchise Randy at the end of the season? I recall the Vikings had a deal to let him go to FA at the end of the season for showing up.

4. How are the above items impacted if Randy clears waivers?

My crystal ball: Randy is going to hold out if another team claims him. First, Randy can get more money this season if he clears waivers. Second, I think Randy wants to get back to New England. I am unsure if the Pats would take him back but you never know.

patman12 · 11-01-2010, 04:22 PM

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2. Does acquiring team get the third round draft choice the Patriots supposedly would have received in 2012 if Randy goes elsewhere via free agency? I recall some people stating that we eventually gave Randy away for nothing since we would have received a 2012 pick if he left at the end of the season.

The best the Patriots could have gotten, based on Randy's years in the league (see Faneca rule) is a 5th round pick in 2012.

***AndyJohnson*** · 11-01-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hallfamebrady

I have some items to think about if Randy gets claimed off of waivers. I am basing these comments based on previous observations and previous comments from different people. The questions include:

1. What happens if Randy decides not to report to any team who claims Randy via waivers? Will he be fined and what can the acquiring team do?

2. Does acquiring team get the third round draft choice the Patriots supposedly would have received in 2012 if Randy goes elsewhere via free agency? I recall some people stating that we eventually gave Randy away for nothing since we would have received a 2012 pick if he left at the end of the season.

3. Can the acquiring team franchise Randy at the end of the season? I recall the Vikings had a deal to let him go to FA at the end of the season for showing up.

4. How are the above items impacted if Randy clears waivers?

My crystal ball: Randy is going to hold out if another team claims him. First, Randy can get more money this season if he clears waivers. Second, I think Randy wants to get back to New England. I am unsure if the Pats would take him back but you never know.

I think Moss gets substaintially LESS money if no one claims him.
I ca't imagine why the Patriots would want to bring him back after deciding to get rid of him.

***DaBruinz*** · 11-01-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hallfamebrady

I have some items to think about if Randy gets claimed off of waivers. I am basing these comments based on previous observations and previous comments from different people. The questions include:

1. What happens if Randy decides not to report to any team who claims Randy via waivers? Will he be fined and what can the acquiring team do?

There are conflicting reports on this. I've seen that Moss has to report. But I've also seen that Moss can refuse to report. So I'm not sure.

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Originally Posted by hallfamebrady

2. Does acquiring team get the third round draft choice the Patriots supposedly would have received in 2012 if Randy goes elsewhere via free agency? I recall some people stating that we eventually gave Randy away for nothing since we would have received a 2012 pick if he left at the end of the season.

The Pats traded Moss to Minnesota for a 2011 3rd round pick. They also sent a 7th round pick to Minnesota. Had the Pats not traded Moss and he'd played out his contract, then the Pats would be entitled to a compensatory pick in 2012 if he signed with another team and the Pats did not sign any free agents who would off-set the Moss signing.

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3. Can the acquiring team franchise Randy at the end of the season? I recall the Vikings had a deal to let him go to FA at the end of the season for showing up.

Good question. Supposedly, the Vikings agreed to not Franchise Moss. If they modified his contract to say as much, then my guess is that they would NOT be able to Franchise him.

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4. How are the above items impacted if Randy clears waivers?

My crystal ball: Randy is going to hold out if another team claims him. First, Randy can get more money this season if he clears waivers. Second, I think Randy wants to get back to New England. I am unsure if the Pats would take him back but you never know.

If Randy clears waivers, he can sign with any team of his choosing, including the Patriots. Because he's a vested veteran, Minnesota would still be on the hook for the remaining 3.5 million or so on his current contract. Moss could then get MORE money on a new contract.

Any compensatory picks would be determined by when Randy becomes a free agent and whether or not he moved on from whatever team he was on.

As for franchising him, that would depend on the wording in his new contract.

***DaBruinz*** · 11-01-2010, 04:26 PM

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The best the Patriots could have gotten, based on Randy's years in the league (see Faneca rule) is a 5th round pick in 2012.

Where do you get that from? If you are talking compensatory picks, then the highest pick is a 3rd rounder depending on the contract that is signed and whether or not there are any off-setting signings.

hallfamebrady · 11-01-2010, 04:27 PM

The NFL Network is saying that the Vikings have to pay his contract if another team fails to claim him. If he goes through waivers, I assume another team will have to offer him money to sign which would mean he gets more money this year.

Long term, this hurts is ability to get a big contract.

***DaBruinz*** · 11-01-2010, 04:28 PM

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The NFL Network is saying that the Vikings have to pay his contract if another team fails to claim him. If he goes through waivers, I assume another team will have to offer him money to sign which would mean he gets more money this year.

Long term, this hurts is ability to get a big contract.

Not true.

Randy could sign a contract for the rest of this year, put up big numbers and sign a big contract next year with a new team.

karguy85 · 11-01-2010, 04:29 PM

how long is the waiver period?

hallfamebrady · 11-01-2010, 04:32 PM

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Not true.

Randy could sign a contract for the rest of this year, put up big numbers and sign a big contract next year with a new team.

True although I am unsure if a team would do this given the drama associated with Randy.

Shockt327 · 11-01-2010, 04:32 PM

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Where do you get that from? If you are talking compensatory picks, then the highest pick is a 3rd rounder depending on the contract that is signed and whether or not there are any off-setting signings.

Moss has 10 accrued season. The most you can get is a 5th.

Also, even if he could gt a 3rd, Moss was never going to get a 2011 contract that warranted a 3rd rd comp pick. He's just not that good anymore. So it's a moot point.