OT: Vick's toast...or is he... - New England Patriots Forums

Patriot_in_NY · 08-13-2007, 04:26 PM

It's either ONE, or the OTHER.

I say hes gone. Way too hot to handle for the NFL.

Crazy Patriot Guy · 08-13-2007, 05:03 PM

I was talking about Vick with someone at work and we both agreed that guilty or not guilty, with the trial not until late in the season, he needs to sit out for his own good and for the good of the team. The Ray Lewis-Super Bowl hooplah would not even come remotely close to what that team would go through if he was with them. The media would be relentless. Plus, right or wrong, many people have already found him guilty and I wonder about games being disrupted by fans throwing things or whatever.

Again, the Falcons wouldn't even count if Vick was with them, it would be only about him and dog fighting. I have no trouble believing they would/will have a better season without him than with him and dealing with the constant distraction.

Bella*chick · 08-13-2007, 07:52 PM

The other two defendants are accepting plea agreements. Vick is now alone in "clearing his good name."

He's toast, all right.

PromisedLand · 08-13-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bella*chick

The other two defendants are accepting plea agreements. Vick is now alone in "clearing his good name."

He's toast, all right.

Yup - that story just broke late this afternoon. ONE way or the OTHER were both written without that information.

jbb9s · 08-13-2007, 10:36 PM

ESPN reported last night that the league will basically mandate a suspension based on a league rule which Vick broke: He lied to Goodell. Basically, he said he never went to that VA house originally after meeting Goodell- something he now renegs on. So he is guilty of lying - enough to get suspended by the NFL regardless of his legal problems.

jcdavey · 08-13-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY

It's either ONE, or the OTHER.

I say hes gone. Way too hot to handle for the NFL.

hopefully goodell executes his career soon, before the season begins

***DaBruinz*** · 08-14-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rabthepat

Lying equals how much of a suspension? Joey Porter starts a brawl in a casino, pleads guilty and no suspension.

I could see suspending Vick when he flipped the finger at the fans but lying?

Well, Porter got a misdemenor. Not a ciminal felony. Also, Porter admitted it happened. And Porter was fined 3 game checks (over $141K). Also, its been rumored that Porter escaped suspension because the Fins were not happy with having to lose a home game by going to play in the UK so not suspending Porter was some-what of a placation for the Phins.

Vick, on the other hand, appears to have bold-faced LIED to Gooddell because he supposedly told Gooddell he'd never been to the house. A few weeks later, he says that he'd been a few times and now, the feds have arrested him for being there at fights and conspiracy for said fights, with potentially racketeering and gambling charges to follow.

When it comes to players, you also have to consider just how big of a celebrity Michael Vick was. Look at all the sponsorships he's lost. Nike, Reebok Jerseys, Rawlings and Upper Deck Trading Cards. What is Joey Porter? When Porter was at his best, I bet he wasn't even generating a 20th of the sales Vick's stuff did.

spacecrime · 08-14-2007, 01:40 AM

Don't equate beng convicted in a court of law and violating the NFL personal conduct policy. THey are not the same.

It is the same with all industries with a high public presence. One's actions determine whether you violate corporate policy, not what laws were or were not broken.

To say this is unfair may have merit, but the fact is, when people take certain jobs, the rules are that if you credit a situation that is detrimental to the corporation, you are terminated.

It is not unique to Vick or the NFL.

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I am starting to do a 180 on this issue. I was originally for suspending him before the court trial due to the bad press he has brought the league. Yet, now I think unless the league has some hard evidence of their own they should let him play and then when Vick has had his day in court take action either way.

What if he did not do it and is found not guilty? Or what if he did do it but is still found not guilty? Jury decisions can be surprising.

You could also make the case that other players have done worse things and weren't convicted before their trials. Leonard Little is a classic example. He killed someone dunk driving yet he plays.

***DarrylS*** · 08-14-2007, 04:01 AM

This AM's stuff indicate the other co-defendents are accepting deals, and the DA has offered him one as well. I suspect that if he went to trial, the outrage, would ruin him for life.. whatever the deal is he will probably be advised to take a good hard look at it.. if they went to trial the outrage from all the dog lovers in the US + the PETA folks would make his life miserable. Gooddell is not stupid, the NFL is on a roll and he wants nothing to stand in its way. I hope Vick resolves this, so the NFL can move on and just do football, not a season of side show media circus.

nhpatsfan · 08-14-2007, 04:21 AM

Does anyone have any details on the plea deal? Or on the ones recently accepted by the other two guys?