Originally Posted by Halifax_Pats_Fan

Exactly what I am saying Gomez...thanks....they got to where they are on merit, at least that is what I thought, I am glad I am not the only one thinking this...it drives me nuts when someone is in my face playing the discrimination card like a broken record. These two coaches have confidence in what they are doing, they are honorable men, they have proven success, that is why they are there....who cares what color they are...and regarding another person's post about young black men looking at the tv and admiring a head coach and thinking that one day they could be there...you know what, the longest distance they need to look for admiration is across the kitchen table and admire their own dad (and mom). I would like to think they are adminring their parents as role models, not someone on the tv who they never ever met...and that is what i love about Dungy, he is a strong family man with stong family values, that is who young black (and all color) people need to look up to...

...in my opinion

Originally Posted by shatch62

It a story because it is a "first". How many stories would there be right now if the Giants were playing the Colts and it was the first "brother vs brother" Super Bowl? If one of the coaches was in a wheelchair it would be a first and it would be a huge stroy. If one of the coaches is a woman? All huge stories.

10-15 years from now if Lovie, Dungy, Romeo, Herm etc have coached in a number of S.B.s it will no longer be mentioned.

Originally Posted by patriotsrule

Said by someone who is white, no doubt.

Originally Posted by gomezcat

Great editing job of my original post. It is important that some posts are reserved for minorities, when it is a matter of working with a specific ethnic group, e.g. Somalis. I can't recall the last time I saw one of those posts advertised for more than I currently earn. I also work in a liberal profession in a multi-cultural part of London. In the local authority, over 50% of the staff are from ethnic minorities and WAY over 50% of the senior managers are white.

That's why 2 black Head Coaches matters, at least to me.

Originally Posted by Underoath

If they're trying to get the point across that everyone is equal, than why are they making a big deal in saying two black coaches are in the SB? It just doesn't makes sense to me. Who the **** cares? How come every time a 2 white coaches are in the superbowl, the headlines don't say "TWO WHITE COACHES IN THE SUPERBOWL!"

Originally Posted by PatsWorldChamps

i didnt edit any of your words. i kept the portion i had issue with, and responded to it... no one on a football board gives a rats @ss how much money you make... your comment is moronic... do you think you should reserve some jobs for "Somalis" then (since WAY over 50% of the senior managers are white)? or should the most qualified person get the job?

That's why 2 black Head Coaches doesn't matter at all, at least to me

What is black, anyways? if i coached and had 2 grandparents who are black, would i be a black head coach? what if i had one grandparent who was black? 3? the terms black and white in regards to people are meaningless now; this isn't 1800. do i need AKC papers to prove im black enough to be called a black man?

Originally Posted by gomezcat

You might want to ask black people if they think that race is still an issue for them. All the ones I work with say that they think racism is still a big issue and that there is a glass ceiling, hence the point about white senior management.
My point about the money is that the reserved posts I have seen aren't well paid. I also didn't SAY how much I was on. It is a reasonable wage for London, but not high by any means. I am confident, however, that it is more than the average black Londoner earns in my sector.
Essentially, though, we disagree about the significance of two black Head Coaches. Personally, I see it as a sign of progress. Perhaps you do, as well. Who knows?

Originally Posted by PatsWorldChamps

Ok, i should ask black people?... I have 2 grandparents who are "black", and two who are "white"... do you think either of those people are purebreds, who have none of the other "color" in them? i doubt it... so, if i were a head coach in this game, would i be the first "black" head coach? the first "half-black" coach? i have a great job too, and im sure i make more money than the average New Englander... i have that job because of my skills, not my "color"

Originally Posted by gomezcat

Fair enough. I guess you proved me wrong and as such I stand corrected. I will say this, though. Most of my black colleagues do think that racism does make it harder for them to get promoted.