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celticboy04 · 12-17-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

who is more at fault? coaching or the players?

Greetings,
I think both are going to have to sit down and evaluate what they are BOTH doing wrong. Players are going to have to concentrate harder and execute much better. Coaches are going to have to sit down make adjustments and evaluate what is working and what is not working. Hopefully everyone is on board with trying to make this thing work. I still have faith in this team, proved in the Indy game that they are capable of having with the AFC big boys, they just have to close out games and regain the killer instinct.

Shalom,
Celticboy04

MrBigglesWorth · 12-17-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by celticboy04

Greetings,
I think both are going to have to sit down and evaluate what they are BOTH doing wrong. Players are going to have to concentrate harder and execute much better. Coaches are going to have to sit down make adjustments and evaluate what is working and what is not working. Hopefully everyone is on board with trying to make this thing work. I still have faith in this team, proved in the Indy game that they are capable of having with the AFC big boys, they just have to close out games and regain the killer instinct.

Shalom,
Celticboy04

this is true. but the chicken or the egg. is it the players or coaching. sure everything needs improvment.

***alamo*** · 12-17-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

Sorry to be so negative, but it is what it is.

Nice attempt to add credence to your opinion -- not facts -- by wrapping it inside a faux-Belichickian aura.

celticboy04 · 12-17-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

this is true. but the chicken or the egg. is it the players or coaching. sure everything needs improvment.

Greetings,

Ok, I will go for coaching, not much can be done about the current talent on this team.
Shalom,
Celticboy04

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 12-17-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesWorth

this is true. but the chicken or the egg. is it the players or coaching. sure everything needs improvment.

Both. This team got it's start with good coaching helping good players get started in 2001. The coaches need to help some of these younger players figure things out better, but the veterans need to slap a few players up side the head. Ty Warren did a nice job of that calling out Adalius - hopefully he's not the only one feisty in the locker room.

SVN · 12-17-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fgssand

wonder what you were saying in 2001??

i think that team won its last 6 regular season games.

JFK · 12-17-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

Yes.

On Offense:
A #3 WR needs to emerge - probably Edelman (which means he and Brady should be spending extra time together).
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Edelman can never be a better wideout than AIken. He is a mini-welker and will thrive in the slot. I just don't think he is built for it.
If Aiken can't do it, we have to hope Tate becomes a good #3 for us even though Moss is gettin up there.

JFK · 12-17-2009, 10:49 PM

But yea. Our LBs need to make plays. I dont know if its because of the DLine but our LBs don't make plays at all except B-Cain.
We need to improve at DE and OLB. Our offense would fix itself. We proved we are better than we show against the Panthers.

Disco Volante · 12-17-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LasVegasPatsFan

Im trying to be very optomistic here and believe me its been very hard. The only thing that keeps my hopes up is the fact that all of our loses, except for the Saints game, were all winable. This team can be a SB team if the offense plays all 4 QUARTERS!. Ill explain the loses as I see it

Jets game. This one was on Brady being rusty. He had an open Edleman for a sure score but over threw him. We were in this game. Lost by 7

Broncos game. Again, Brady missed an open Welker which would have sealed this game. Lost by 3

Colts game. We clearly dominated this game for all 3 qtrs. 4 &2 could have gone either way. Not here to bring back the past. Lost by 1

Saints game. No explanation. Just wasnt prepared. Ill give them a mulligan.

Dolphins game. We let the phins hang with us too long. Could have ended this game in the 2nd qtr. Lost by 1

Colts and the Chargers are the best teams in the AFC. I know we can beat the Colts, especially how we played them earlier. The Chargers...well we all know what happened in 2006. I think this team is better than the 2006 team. Not saying the same will happen, but I still have some faith in this team and know that when the playoffs arrive, Brady is a different person. It seems to me that his level of play is taking to a higher level. After all this ranting, I sure hope I am right

Exactly how I feel.

Hell, had Brady not thrown that horrible INT in the Saints game we had a chance to be up 14-3 and who knows what could of happened from there.

Ice_Ice_Brady · 12-17-2009, 11:24 PM

Unfortunately I'm starting to think we just simply don't have enough this season. I can justify a loss or two, but five losses so far reminds me of the classic "you are what you are." The original poster is insane if he expects any team to convert on 4 out of 5 third downs, or for us to suddenly average four sacks per game.

I think the only way we go far this year is to take some chances and hope for the best. All out blitzes, trust in our third WR and tight ends, and a few trick plays. Sorry, but that's my analysis. Head to head against good teams on the road, I don't see us winning when both teams play as well as reasonably expected.

Oh, and intercept the damn ball. Our secondary probably averages three drops per game.