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Old 09-12-2008, 09:34 AM   #11
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Green Bay is not on our schedule this year. They must be grasping for straws to talk about.
No but they have several huge things in common.

They both are taking over for first round HOF ballot QBs. Neither fan base is particularly thrilled that are the starting QB, Both are multi-year back ups. Both are QBs in very successful programs that went to the post season last year.
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Old 09-12-2008, 09:35 AM   #12
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I think that's right, but I think all Cassel starting means is that BB thinks he is a better option than any other available option right now..

He's felt that way for 2 years now.
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Now, I realize that Greenberg is a complete and total Jets loving tool
That is probably what the rest of the world thinks about Bill Simmons, you have your hometown bias I respect that
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I am throughly tired of the "he hasn't started a game since HS".

It takes a very unusual guy to be drafted by the pros, after sitting in college. But Matt Cassell was a prized recruit by the biggest of big time college programs.

He has size,a big arm, a high wonderlic. and 8 years of training in pro programs. including coaching by Norm Chow, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and Josh McDaniels. He has played with Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Matt Lienart and thrown to receivers like Randy Moss.

As for not playing, he has appeared in three pro games that I recall, and probaly 15 or so preseason games. He brought the Pats back after the Pats had conceeded a victory to Miami. He led the Offense that scored all the points against the Chiefs.

He knows the Offense and directs it, unlike a rookie. He is at least as accomplished as the average backup, but with a substantially higher upside, having starting QB athletic talent, looking at it as a pure football scout.

Will he win this weekend, on the road? It is uncertain; but 5-10 games from now he WILL LIKELY be a feared and respected backup QB in the NFL.

Enough. He is not a raw rookie.

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I am throughly tired of the "he hasn't started a game since HS".

It takes a very unusual guy to be drafted by the pros, after sitting in college. But Matt Cassell was a prized recruit by the biggest of big time college programs.

He has size,a big arm, a high wonderlic. and 8 years of training in pro programs. including coaching by Norm Chow, Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, and Josh McDaniels. He has played with Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Matt Lienart and thrown to receivers like Randy Moss.

As for not playing, he has appeared in three pro games that I recall, and probaly 15 or so preseason games. He brought the Pats back after the Pats had conceeded a victory to Miami. He led the Offense that scored all the points against the Chiefs.

He knows the Offense and directs it, unlike a rookie. He is at least as accomplished as the average backup, but with a substantially higher upside, having starting QB athletic talent, looking at it as a pure football scout.

Will he win this weekend, on the road? It is uncertain; but 5-10 games from now he WILL LIKELY be a feared and respected backup QB in the NFL.

Enough. He is not a raw rookie.
All you point out may be true, but he still hasn't started a game since high school.
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Brady played behind Drew henson, who, had he elected to play football straight out of college, would have been a #1 pick as well.
Just as an FYI, Brady never played behind Henson. Brady was the starter, and Henson came in an played the 2nd quarter. That's it.

You see the same thing at Ohio State this year. I happen to think their senior QB is a pretty good one, but they are mixing in Terrelle Pryor, a freshman.

It's the same exact situation.
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That is probably what the rest of the world thinks about Bill Simmons, you have your hometown bias I respect that
True, but Greenberg goes beyond that. I listen to this yutz every morning and it's a rare day when I don't feel like putting my foot through the TV screen when he speaks.

Maybe it's just me, but I look for a little more objectivity from guys in that position.
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Just as an FYI, Brady never played behind Henson. Brady was the starter, and Henson came in an played the 2nd quarter. That's it.

You see the same thing at Ohio State this year. I happen to think their senior QB is a pretty good one, but they are mixing in Terrelle Pryor, a freshman.

It's the same exact situation.
True:

The largest of the tall tales out there is the Brady-Henson myth. First, Tom Brady started EVERY SINGLE MICHIGAN GAME IN 1998 AND 1999. Period. Drew Henson finished his career with 8 starts, all in 2000. Henson played sparingly in 1998, and his only significant time was in the Syracuse game.

The notion that Henson was the team favorite is a myth as well. There was 1 leader of that team, and it was the captain, Tom Brady. Brady was every bit as clutch as he is now, and he had the respect and admiration of everyone in that room for the way he handled his situation.

http://michiganagainsttheworld.blogs...ady-myths.html
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The largest of the tall tales out there is the Brady-Henson myth. First, Tom Brady started EVERY SINGLE MICHIGAN GAME IN 1998 AND 1999. Period. Drew Henson finished his career with 8 starts, all in 2000. Henson played sparingly in 1998, and his only significant time was in the Syracuse game.

The notion that Henson was the team favorite is a myth as well. There was 1 leader of that team, and it was the captain, Tom Brady. Brady was every bit as clutch as he is now, and he had the respect and admiration of everyone in that room for the way he handled his situation.

http://michiganagainsttheworld.blogs...ady-myths.html
I wonder why the myth has been allowed to perpetuate itself. Does it just sound better that way? I admit that I'm guilty of not knowing this, which, considering that I'm usually really good about researching something before I post, makes me feel like an ass now.
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Yes, this is a test for Cassel. We've played one of the bottom 5 teams in football. Now we are playing a team in 6-10 range. The jets really aren't very good.
In many ways, we got lucky with the timing of the injury. Imagine if it happened before one of our big away games in Indy or SD? This way we get to build him up a bit, see what he's made of with the "softer" NFL teams in the first three weeks, and then we get a bye week! It couldn't have been much better timed for the team. Yes, it sucks that Brady is out, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but our first three opponents should be wins even without Brady.
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