KontradictioN

There are going to still be good receivers available Day 2. The Falcons overpaid for Jones but they got a guy who will be one of the most gifted receivers for years to come. You act as if good receivers have never been drafted outside of first round. When you look at this offense, you can see that, assuming Welker signs, it's only an athletic receiver that understands the offense and a starting caliber RG away from being virtually unstoppable.

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CREDIT - Sicilian

Off The Grid

You're joking...right??

News Flash: we don't even have one Split End on this Roster.

Nobody has a greater aversion to signing Top Dollar Free Agents than I.

Nobody.

That's the Road to Perdition...to Salary Cap HELL.

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But if you can get a smart, scrappy, nasty-@$$ bastard Split End like Anquan Boldin for say 4 or 5 a year...that would be nothing less than a Dream Come True.

We're talking about a guy who Blocks.

We're talking about a guy who Moves The Chains.

And he's smart: He'd get our foolishly complicated System.

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I've always admired Boldin.

He's a Split End, not a Flanker ~ like Floyd ~ so comparing the two is wrong.

He's not a SlotBack ~ like Welker ~ so comparing those two is wrong.

He's a nasty, scrappy, savvy, wily Veteran who'll be there when we need'm.

He's exactly what we need ~ a guy who Moves The Chains when we need them moved against Nasty D's, and who BLOCKS ~ while we hopefully develop a Split End or two to take over, over the next couple of years.

A Dream Come True...if we can get'm for a decent Price, as I have little doubt we could.

Please God...Make It So.

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supafly

I always appreciate your salary cap analysis, MoLewisRocks. I think that you are definitely one of the best on the entire forum in that regard.

I understandably argued that you could give or take a little bit to my 16-17 million dollar projection, and that must be how you came up with 13.

While I appreciate the look of the other side of the coin, I'm not sure that I necessarily agree that it could potentially be that low. I hope you are right. In the meantime it is a difference of opinions. I have a terribly hard time believing that all of Wes Welker, Anquan Boldin, Brandon Llyod, and Julian Edelman can be had for a mere 13 million dollar cap hit, but it's hard to argue with a veteran like you on this kind of issue.

And as much as I will never understand as much as you (nor will about 99% of the forum) regarding cap hits or contractual issues, I do actually understand the difference between cap hit and aav, so I'm not mixing up the two at all.

Whether we agree on certain numbers or not I have a very hard time believing that Belichick would tie that much money up in the WR position, but that's just my personal opinion, right or wrong.

I can reasonably say that creative geniuses may be able to get Welker's cap hit lower than my projected 7 million, that is certainly fair. I don't know if it could be all the way down to 4.5, but I do agree that it could certainly be somewhere between the two figures. I can also admit that Boldin's hit could be less too, although later in my statement I claimed "5 to 6 million," so we aren't too far apart there.

I have a hard time seeing Llyod restructure his year into an incentive laden one though, that's a stretch. As a matter of fact the whole topic and conversation are a stretch considering that only ONE of those 4 players are currently on the team. Regardless it's fair to think that it could be/should be between your 13 and my 16-17, yes..

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captain stone

And likely at half the price.

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If you are implying that Bill should never draft a WR, then I disagree (although the evidence
from the last decade of drafts suggests that maybe he shouldn't).

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mgteich

No, Belichick will and should keep on trying. However, we cannot presume that a draftee will be a major contributor, certainly not in his rookie year. If Belichick wants to seriously use the draft, he needs to draft 2 receivers in the first four rounds and commit a coach to working with them for a couple of years. We would then expect to keep an "extra" wide receiver. We would still need to sign the normal gang in free agency.

This strategy is a reasonable one in this draft. The strategy presumes a trade down in the first or the second round, which seems very likely.

IMHO, it won't happen, especially if we don't re-sign both Vollmer and Thomas.

It seems unlikely that we would not draft a DL, OL and at least one defensive back.

It does seem that this is the year to draft ONE wide receiver in the first four rounds. We'd then have that player and Ebert as our youngsters.


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UofApatsfan

Boldin isn't an outside the numbers receiver who stretches defenses, he's a physical slot receiver who thrives over the middle of the field, which doesn't solve any problems the offense has regarding safeties being able to clog the middle of the field. I loved him in Arizona and he's one of my favorite players, but it doesn't fill a need

OTOH, why are people so concerned with getting a "young" receiver? The focus should be on maximizing the next 2-4 years. If the best route to go with all things considered (cost, chemistry w/ Brady, etc.) is drafting a certain receiver that's not a bad thing but making sure the receiver they get is young shouldn't be a high priority.

supafly

The concern is mainly cost effectiveness of a cheap rookie contract mixed with some worries about the next couple of year future at the position itself.

I think that you have a good point when saying it should be about the production over the next 3-4 years, but then we also have to take into account the kind of cost at the overall position, specifically if they retain Welker who will likely be expensive enough.

I would like to personally see the situation addressed mainly through free agency too, but they should also take a higher draft pick at WR so they can start developing him with the usual pattern of redshirted years, or at least minimal playing time and production. We could certainly use a young and speedy option that is showing progression, and could contribute on some level this year, but more likely in 2014.

If they wait to draft a WR until next year, then that just sets the whole process back another year with the odds of seeing the kind of production we need low until 2015. By that time, we'd be talking 3 more seasons of Brady so you see what the worry is with a closing window etc.

Depending upon whether or not they retain Welker, they will likely have to try and bring in some middle/lower level FA competition at the position of WR, as it is simply too expensive, but we still need to address it via the draft too. That's my opinion anyway.

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SeanBruschi54

Did people forget we almost signed Reggie Wayne last year???

Snake Eyes

Totally agree, one of the thing that's a problem for receivers in NE is being able to make those post-snap reads and adjustments, Boldin used to play QB where making post-snap reads and decisions is part of the job.

Sign the beast!

BTW, I still want the Pats to get a hold of Joe Webb, who is being wasted in MN, he should be a receiver here.

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