JR4

Ok I was reluctant to buy into this but after listening to people tell
me it is true and considering some what I've seen/heard I am wondering.

here's some stuff to consider.

1. NBA is on record that refs take pay offs to influence game out comes
and the ref caught said he is not the only one doing it. Is it a stretch to
think there may be NFL refs doing it also?

2. PATs with an offense scoring 30+ points a game just finished off a team
with a pretty good defense in the playoffs with 40+ points and is held to
13 points by an old D.

3. The ratings for a Harbaugh vs Harbaugh Superbowl were off the scales.
There are billions involved here folks. With that much money at stake it is
possible some people were bought to influence the outcome of the game?

4. Tom Brady. Think about his body language. Did he seem like
he was really playing to win? To me he didn't have that fire in his eyes.
His body language seemed to say " I already know what the outcome will be .. so why try hard .. I'll just do what I'm paid to do"

Consider it all ask yourself ...
does it make sense that this offense is held to 13 points with NO points in the second half?

It almost seems like the no 2nd half points was
a rebellion to the game being fixed .... the only way that they could
say it was fixed without saying it verbally.

Thoughts?

BrickPat

My thoughts? Ok since you asked...

Please stop posting or ban yourself until the medication kicks in.

Thankee

JR4

since you are new here and you responded in a few seconds ...
maybe you're an NFL plant to squash such threads.

Sivy

People will bash you, but its the offseason for the pats so F it, its worth a discussion.

I think in order for the NFL to be rigged like pro wrestling, that to many people would have to be involved, and SOMEONE would have leaked it by now and made billions off of books and movies and what not. However, I do belive, 100% that the refs are told to try and influence games from time to time.

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Palm Beach Pats Fan

No conspiracy.

It was however interesting to hear Eric Mangini discuss the keys to the game on Mike and Mike this morning.

Basically he said that it was obvious from early on that roughing up wide receivers was NOT going to be called, and that this disrupted the Patriots offense. He specifically pointed out an early no call where Lloyd took a two-handed shot to the face as he was trying to get off the line, and other instances where there was a lot of contact beyond 5 yards.

Mangini was giving the view of a defensive coach, mind you, and he wasn't really criticizing the officials but rather pointing out that the Ravens were extremely wise to take note of this and use it to their maximum advantage.

He further said that it was in fact very similar to his own approach, whe he was on the Patriots staff, to defending the Colts receivers in the games were Polian famously blew a gasket of the lack of calls for being too physical with Colts receivers.

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JR4

Please note: the NFL assigned a ref and staff that was noted for "letting players play" If they knew this would doom the PATs is this not part of such a conspiracy?

Palm Beach Pats Fan

The head ref was known for not calling a lot of holding calls during the regular season ("letting them play") but also for calling a lot of pass interference calls ("calling it tight in the passing game")

so your assertion is incorrect.

Also, regular season officiating crews are broken up to make "all star" crews in the postseason, so regulars season trends extrapolated to a postseason game based solely on the head ref are always dubious at best.

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Sicilian

It's easy to see conspiracies when you're still recovering from an emotional loss that came in a fairly unexpected manner. More likely than an NFL fix, the Ravens are a tough, talented team and they just played better than the Pats did Sunday.

There were three plays that effectively killed the Pats chances in the second half, and none of them were effected by the refs: Welker's drop on 3rd down, Ridley's fumble (while he was probably blacked out), and the first interception that came on a tipped ball. If the NFL was fixing this game, the Pats may have been in on it.

JR4

You make good points. But NO points in the second half? come on while
Ravens D is good they are not that good. We have all seen PATs make
mistakes like you mentioned but come back stronger to over come.
(SF game to wit )

They seem to have no fight, no desire and that may
have had to do with Brady's body language.
Tell me this was the Brady you are use to seeing on the side lines walking
up an down firing player up?

Steve:Section 102

I can tell you you are not the first guy to think of this. I spoke with one of the guys here at work Monday AM, and he mentioned it as well. I will grant you he's a conspiracy "nut" to a certain extent. I think anytime there's a lot of money at stake, there is a level of mistrust by certain aspects of our society. I find it hard to believe that the NFL could be this dirty, but there have been rumors of NASCAR driver's getting "the call" for years. I am going to go with "no, there's no fix" but if some enterprising young Woodward and Bernstein type dug deep... who knows what they'd find. I would wager that if they pulled back the curtain of the NFL and we had 100% transparency, none of us would like the results. PED's, crooked Dr's, cheating, criminal activity and subsequent cover ups would likely get exposed. So in my mind, it's a case of how far do you want to believe the rabbit hole goes? I'm going to put on my officially licensed NFL gear, sit here and tell you to fix is not in. I simply do not like the alternative.

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