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With rumors swirling about Julius Peppers becoming a Patriot, the prospect that the Panthers seek to replace him with is likely Michael Johnson. Carolina sent John Fox to his Pro Day workout, where he is said to have “dazzled scouts.”

Yet Patsfans will have nothing to do with him, even as the Peppers trade grows increasingly unlikely.

While the current trend is to say that Johnson has been over hyped
(Thanks to McShay, Kiper and TSN elevating him from round 3 to top 3 overall), the reality is that Johnson’s inconsistency has more recently been overstated (Thanks, Mike Mayock, Peter King and NFL DRAFTScout).

Hate him, if you want. But, in fact, he would likely explode here. Here’s why:

True story: Once a player named Randy Moss took plays off. It's true! Now he’s at the top of his game. The fact that Johnson went from a part time pass rush specialist in '08 to a full time starting DE explains why he often seemed to be taking plays off. He was out of gas!

Facing frequent double teams, being suddenly schemed against by opponents and pulling double duty on Special Teams will do that to you. To that end, he struggled with cramps (and injuries). So he followed the advice of Tashard Choice and Emmitt Smith to take Pedialyte drinks. Problem solved.

The other problem: inconsistency. That’s easily traced to him being frequently out of position (and poor coaching). Who better to solve that problem than Bill Belichick, the great master of putting people in better position to succeed? The talent is there, he just needs to be coached up.

Lastly, Johnson is bashed by some for only showing up for big games, not against nobody’s. He’s bashed by others for racking up big stats against nobody’s, not top competition. Which is it? ---Either way, he makes big plays when big plays are needed. And he does so in dramatic fashion.

Add to that Johnson’s freakish athleticism, plus having already played DE and WILL Linebacker at Georgia Tech. Note: His play assignments were different than the typical DE, and, therefore, he often looked to be taking plays off when he was doing as assigned.

He was also one of the top TE's in the nation coming out of High School (#2 in Alabama and #7 in the nation). To put that in better perspective, here is a 6'-7" TE running a 4.6 40, ranking him in the top 5 of this draft class. It also bodes well for his transition to LB, where he'll need good hands in coverage.

Still doubt him? Ask LT Eugene Monroe, who lists him as the top DE, one he yielded one of his few sacks to. He also made a big impression on Georgia, LSU and BC, to name a few. He proved himself to be an impact player.

With other teams and draftniks souring on him, the Patriots will be waiting to pounce on him the way that they did Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork.
 
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Highlights: YouTube - DE Michael Johnson Highlights Georgia Tech 2008

Interview: YouTube - Georgia Tech Football - Michael Johnson

Hes obviously very athletic (Lions reported a 4.49 40 at his Pro Day), and he uses his hands well. However, he gets too high at times and his pass rush repertoire is limited.

If I had a choice between Johnson and Barwin (assuming both are available at 23), I would take Johnson. :eek: :beatingcoming:

But what do I know, I was lobbying for Josh Barrett to be picked in the 4th round last year :D
 
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i would pick neither and try to get one at 34 i don't mind the johnson idea i mean none of us would really be that upset i don't thinik if we got him with our 1st or 2nd 2nd i just think the value may be hire at other players at 23
 
Johnson clearly has freakish athleticism. He may be the only possible 3-4 OLB candidate with more athleticism and a higher upside than Connor Barwin. I'm fine with him at #34 as a "poor man's Peppers" elephant/3-4 OLB, though I probably prefer Barwin as a prospect. I wish he had shown a bit more consistency.

Mike Mayock has repeatedly said that Johnson is a 3rd round prospect. I don't agree with all of Mayock's evaluations, but I do pay attention to what he says, and that concerns me a little.
 
Mike Mayock has repeatedly said that Johnson is a 3rd round prospect. I don't agree with all of Mayock's evaluations, but I do pay attention to what he says, and that concerns me a little.

When a player gets on the wrong side of Mayock or McShay, they tend to get disproportionally buried in their rankings. Mayock knows that Johnson isn't a 3rd round prospect, but he is making a point.

If you could build a player that physically fit the prototype for a Pats 3-4 OLB, it would be Johnson. In the BC game this past year, you could see what Johnson could do to completely disrupt an opposing gameplan. It is really difficult to throw accurately over a 6'7" guy with a 38" vert. High throws and tipped passes turn into interceptions...which Brady and co. will quickly turn into points.

The knocks on him involve strength in the running game (dude is slim at 265 lbs), technique (pad level and hand battles) and consistency. All of these are easily addressed with the right program and coaching. The only question is whether or not Johnson will put in the work needed to reach his potential. If Belichick thinks the answer is "yes", then he is a steal at #23. Even if the answer is "maybe", using one of the 2nd round picks to take a chance on him is worth it.

I trust Belichick on this one. If Johnson is selected by the Pats, I'm sure that Belichick has a good feeling on his potential for success. If not, then there were enough red flags on his game/intangibles to let someone else deal with him.
 
I'm fine with him at #34 as a "poor man's Peppers" elephant/3-4 OLB, though I probably prefer Barwin as a prospect. I wish he had shown a bit more consistency.

And by poor we're talking great depression here right? The guy is solely a 3rd down player/ST player. If he is drafted higher then the 4th round, then some team is in some serious need of a pass rush.
 
With rumors swirling about Julius Peppers becoming a Patriot, the prospect that the Panthers seek to replace him with is likely Michael Johnson. Carolina sent John Fox to his Pro Day workout, where he is said to have “dazzled scouts.”

Yet Patsfans will have nothing to do with him, even as the Peppers trade grows increasingly unlikely.

While the current trend is to say that Johnson has been over hyped
(Thanks to McShay, Kiper and TSN elevating him from round 3 to top 3 overall), the reality is that Johnson’s inconsistency has more recently been overstated (Thanks, Mike Mayock, Peter King and NFL DRAFTScout).

Hate him, if you want. But, in fact, he would likely explode here. Here’s why:

True story: Once a player named Randy Moss took plays off. It's true! Now he’s at the top of his game. The fact that Johnson went from a part time pass rush specialist in '08 to a full time starting DE explains why he often seemed to be taking plays off. He was out of gas!

Facing frequent double teams, being suddenly schemed against by opponents and pulling double duty on Special Teams will do that to you. To that end, he struggled with cramps (and injuries). So he followed the advice of Tashard Choice and Emmitt Smith to take Pedialyte drinks. Problem solved.

The other problem: inconsistency. That’s easily traced to him being frequently out of position (and poor coaching). Who better to solve that problem than Bill Belichick, the great master of putting people in better position to succeed? The talent is there, he just needs to be coached up.

Lastly, Johnson is bashed by some for only showing up for big games, not against nobody’s. He’s bashed by others for racking up big stats against nobody’s, not top competition. Which is it? ---Either way, he makes big plays when big plays are needed. And he does so in dramatic fashion.

Add to that Johnson’s freakish athleticism, plus having already played DE and WILL Linebacker at Georgia Tech. Note: His play assignments were different than the typical DE, and, therefore, he often looked to be taking plays off when he was doing as assigned.

He was also one of the top TE's in the nation coming out of High School (#2 in Alabama and #7 in the nation). To put that in better perspective, here is a 6'-7" TE running a 4.6 40, ranking him in the top 5 of this draft class. It also bodes well for his transition to LB, where he'll need good hands in coverage.

Still doubt him? Ask LT Eugene Monroe, who lists him as the top DE, one he yielded one of his few sacks to. He also made a big impression on Georgia, LSU and BC, to name a few. He proved himself to be an impact player.

With other teams and draftniks souring on him, the Patriots will be waiting to pounce on him the way that they did Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork.

Cousin, I agree fully. I made some mentions the last few weeks on him and the big thing nobody comments on is that during his proday, one NFL scout timed him at 4.49 in the 40! His sacks were impressive but his TFL more so. He has made some pick six interceptions and he looked good in space and dropping back into coverage at the combine. You are right. He is all over the board. I would take a shot with him @ #47 at the least. #23? I don't know.

I can see a Jason Taylor type or perhaps Javon Kerse with his hand down. He is untapped as a player. He has a military family backround. His father was a Marine and served in Viet Nam and received the Purple Heart. He was rated as one on the top TE's in the country in high school and has run routes before. The Redskins and Dolphins are interested (ironic with Taylor?). He turned down a BB scholarship from Auburn. His inconsistancy is correctable under the right system (not the Cowboys).

YouTube - DE Michael Johnson Highlights Georgia Tech 2008

DW Toys
 
When a player gets on the wrong side of Mayock or McShay, they tend to get disproportionally buried in their rankings. Mayock knows that Johnson isn't a 3rd round prospect, but he is making a point.

If you could build a player that physically fit the prototype for a Pats 3-4 OLB, it would be Johnson. In the BC game this past year, you could see what Johnson could do to completely disrupt an opposing gameplan. It is really difficult to throw accurately over a 6'7" guy with a 38" vert. High throws and tipped passes turn into interceptions...which Brady and co. will quickly turn into points.

The knocks on him involve strength in the running game (dude is slim at 265 lbs), technique (pad level and hand battles) and consistency. All of these are easily addressed with the right program and coaching. The only question is whether or not Johnson will put in the work needed to reach his potential. If Belichick thinks the answer is "yes", then he is a steal at #23. Even if the answer is "maybe", using one of the 2nd round picks to take a chance on him is worth it.

I trust Belichick on this one. If Johnson is selected by the Pats, I'm sure that Belichick has a good feeling on his potential for success. If not, then there were enough red flags on his game/intangibles to let someone else deal with him.

I personally agree with you on this, though see the previous post for a strongly dissenting opinion. Obviously, people are divided on Johnson. I think he has potential, but there are enough concerns to make me prefer other options. But if BB decides he's worth going for, then I'm all for it.

Here's a fantasy: Trade #34 for Peppers and draft Johnson with one of our remaining 2nd round picks. Have Adalius Thomas divide time inside and out this year, with the plan of moving him full time to SILB in 2010. The goal would be to have 6'7" Julius Peppers and Michael Johnson on the outside with 6'5" Pierre Thomas and Shawn Crable backing them up, and Mayo and Thomas inside. Think how that would mess up the passing lanes, and how much pressure we could put on the QB. Plus, all 4 LBs would potentially be capable of dropping back into coverage and taking on TEs. If it didn't work out, we could always apply for instatement to the NBA as a basketball franchise. :D Just a fantasy, but perhaps not totally unreasonable.
 
I personally agree with you on this, though see the previous post for a strongly dissenting opinion. Obviously, people are divided on Johnson. I think he has potential, but there are enough concerns to make me prefer other options. But if BB decides he's worth going for, then I'm all for it.

Here's a fantasy: Trade #34 for Peppers and draft Johnson with one of our remaining 2nd round picks. Have Adalius Thomas divide time inside and out this year, with the plan of moving him full time to SILB in 2010. The goal would be to have 6'7" Julius Peppers and Michael Johnson on the outside with 6'5" Pierre Thomas and Shawn Crable backing them up, and Mayo and Thomas inside. Think how that would mess up the passing lanes, and how much pressure we could put on the QB. Plus, all 4 LBs would potentially be capable of dropping back into coverage and taking on TEs. If it didn't work out, we could always apply for instatement to the NBA as a basketball franchise. :D Just a fantasy, but perhaps not totally unreasonable.

Great post Mayo! Love it.

How does Maualuga @ #23 and Johnson @#47 and finish that off with William Moore (who I really think the Pats will draft over Delmas, but Moore is not a binkie of mine) at SS at #58, with Carolina swap of you-know-who at #34 sound for day one?

I am thinking they like Delmas, but he is Merriweather Part II which is not bad, but I think they are trying to mold Brandon into an Ed Reed type (we wish!).

I think the Chargers might take RM though. Maybe Johnson is the pick at #23 unless they settle for Laurinaitis?

DW Toys
 
Highlights: YouTube - DE Michael Johnson Highlights Georgia Tech 2008

Interview: YouTube - Georgia Tech Football - Michael Johnson

Hes obviously very athletic (Lions reported a 4.49 40 at his Pro Day), and he uses his hands well. However, he gets too high at times and his pass rush repertoire is limited.

If I had a choice between Johnson and Barwin (assuming both are available at 23), I would take Johnson. :eek: :beatingcoming:

But what do I know, I was lobbying for Josh Barrett to be picked in the 4th round last year :D

They should have grabbed Barrett in the 4th.
DW Toys
 
The goal would be to have 6'7" Julius Peppers and Michael Johnson on the outside with 6'5" Pierre Thomas and Shawn Crable backing them up, and Mayo and Thomas inside. Think how that would mess up the passing lanes, and how much pressure we could put on the QB.

Add in Seymour (6'6") and Warren (6'5") and you got a plan. I don't think the height of the ends/OLBs/QBs on this team is an accident (AD being an obvious exception...making up for it with freakish size/speed).
 
And by poor we're talking great depression here right? The guy is solely a 3rd down player/ST player. If he is drafted higher then the 4th round, then some team is in some serious need of a pass rush.

Wow. Where is this analysis coming from? Did Johnson steal the prize out of your Cracker Jacks?

I know you like Matthews, but to be fair you may be projecting him inside. Who are the OLB candidates you like better than Johnson at another skill besides rushing the QB? Matthews consistently lined up at end and launched into the backfield with his hair on fire (had multiple elite players next to him cleaning up his mess when he missed). The only time I saw Barwin play, UConn was ripping through him and his teammates like wet tissue paper.

I'm not saying Matthews and Barwin aren't potential picks for the Pats...they clearly are...but I'm not sure how you can cast Johnson as a mid-round pass rush specialist and not say the same things about Matthews and Barwin.
 
And by poor we're talking great depression here right? The guy is solely a 3rd down player/ST player. If he is drafted higher then the 4th round, then some team is in some serious need of a pass rush.

But of course, all teams are in need of a pass rush. It's one of the most valued assets a team can have. So even if all Johnson turns out to be is a situational pass rusher, he'll still have significant value. I think you're being just a tad harsh on him. Second round I can understand (he seems at least comparable to Calais Campbell, who went around #50 or so last year to Arizona, and probably considerably better). Fourth, no way.
 
Add in Seymour (6'6") and Warren (6'5") and you got a plan. I don't think the height of the ends/OLBs/QBs on this team is an accident (AD being an obvious exception...making up for it with freakish size/speed).

I should have included 6'5" Vince Redd as another potential OLB backup with size, speed and coverage ability. Add in Gary Guyton as the 3rd ILB backing up both Thomas and Mayo, and we would have the sickest LB corps in the league. Combined with our front line, it would create tremendous havoc.
 
Wow. Where is this analysis coming from? Did Johnson steal the prize out of your Cracker Jacks?

I know you like Matthews, but to be fair you may be projecting him inside. Who are the OLB candidates you like better than Johnson at another skill besides rushing the QB? Matthews consistently lined up at end and launched into the backfield with his hair on fire (had multiple elite players next to him cleaning up his mess when he missed). The only time I saw Barwin play, UConn was ripping through him and his teammates like wet tissue paper.

I'm not saying Matthews and Barwin aren't potential picks for the Pats...they clearly are...but I'm not sure how you can cast Johnson as a mid-round pass rush specialist and not say the same things about Matthews and Barwin.

Are you stalking me? :)

I agree he is great at getting to the QB, and even when he doesn't get to the QB he can get his hand on the ball. My concern with him is he can't stop the run. I mean, just look at the link tjones7 posted. If you draft someone in day 1, you probably want a all around player who can play 3 downs (a starter). Barwin and Matthews could fill that role.
As far as Barwin being tissue paper, I agree he's not the best against the run so that's why we should draft Matthews!
 
But of course, all teams are in need of a pass rush. It's one of the most valued assets a team can have. So even if all Johnson turns out to be is a situational pass rusher, he'll still have significant value. I think you're being just a tad harsh on him. Second round I can understand (he seems at least comparable to Calais Campbell, who went around #50 or so last year to Arizona, and probably considerably better). Fourth, no way.

No doubt teams have pass rushing issues and will draft him early, but for a day 1 pick i would like to draft a potential starter and not a situational guy.
 
The guy is solely a 3rd down player/ST player. If he is drafted higher then the 4th round, then some team is in some serious need of a pass rush.

I don't get it, aren't all the rookie LBs tagged for special teams and situational play, even the almighty Barwin and all knowing Maualuga. The hope is that down the road the can become starters but for most it is a pipe dream. Maybe if we are lucky 1 out 5 LBs drafted will become a 3 down starter.

Special teams and situational pass rusher seems to be a pretty good way for a rookie to make the Pats roster. He is not my favorite player but he is not my least favorite. I would consider him at 23 and think of it as a steal if he was there at 34.

Johnson has far more upside than Groves did last year. And even though Johnson is inconsistent he is not a flat out dog f---er like Groves.
 
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Are you stalking me? :)

Dude, you practically have Tourette's Syndrome with the guy's name.

Blah blah blah yada yada yada...and so the Pats should take Matthews.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, just that your bromance with Clay isn't much of a secret.

I agree he is great at getting to the QB, and even when he doesn't get to the QB he can get his hand on the ball. My concern with him is he can't stop the run. I mean, just look at the link tjones7 posted. If you draft someone in day 1, you probably want a all around player who can play 3 downs (a starter). Barwin and Matthews could fill that role.
As far as Barwin being tissue paper, I agree he's not the best against the run so that's why we should draft Matthews!

You are missing my point. Matthews stopped the run this past year by diving into the backfield and hoping to run into the RB on his way to the QB. If he doesn't get past the initial engagement with a blocker, he was redirected more often than not. This led to unimpressive sack and tackle results from a guy who was pretty much asked to run around and make plays while the offense was paying attention to his teammates. Does that sound like what Belichick will ask him to do as a Pats OLB?

That being said, Matthews has solid potential for developing into a productive player. I'm not sure how that makes Matthews a must-have at #23 and Johnson a desperation pick in the 4th round.
 
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You are missing my point. Matthews stopped the run this past year by diving into the backfield and hoping to run into the RB on his way to the QB. If he doesn't get past the initial engagement with a blocker, he was redirected more often than not. This led to unimpressive sack and tackle results from a guy who was pretty much asked to run around and make plays while the offense was paying attention to his teammates. Does that sound like what Belichick will ask him to do as a Pats OLB?

That being said, Matthews has solid potential for developing into a productive player. I'm not sure how that makes Matthews a must-have at #23 and Johnson a desperation pick in the 4th round.

The way I see it, 3-4 OLB is somewhat similar to S: there are a number of high quality options available. Whether you prefer Barwin, Matthews, Cushing, Johnson, Ayers, Maybin or English is largely a matter of taste, and several of them are likely to be available, even at #34, or possibly even at #47. There's just too many of them. So unless the Pats feel strongly that one particular guy stands head and shoulders above the rest, or fits their scheme much better than the rest, then it makes little sense to pick OLB at #23 instead of a position like OT which is not likely to last. I'm not sure I see a "must-have" OLB pick at #23.
 
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