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Adam Schefter reports on NFL Total Access that the CBA prevents a player renegotiating his contract within a 12 month window of the last negotiation. Seymour negotiated a change in his contract in August 2005 - he is unable to negotiate an extension before August 2006.

Take a chill pill folks and settle in for a slow off-season.
 
Trying not to be too much of a wordsmith here, but could he do a new contract as opposed to re-negotiating an existing one ?
 
That won't stop them from getting an extension done in principle, should that happen. It will only delay the news.
 
Schefter on Branch...

www.kffl.com/hotw/

Patriots | Team wants to extend Branch's contract
Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:01:48 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the New England Patriots have been working to sign WR Deion Branch to a long-term extension before he is scheduled to hit the free-agent market after this season. The Patriots are highly confident that, unlike some of the players that got away this offseason, Branch will not be allowed to go anywhere.

:rocker:
 
stinkypete said:
That won't stop them from getting an extension done in principle, should that happen. It will only delay the news.

Yeah...McGinest had one with the browns by mid-season last year...:bricks:
 
Good find. That explains us basically sitting out the FA process.
 
Now see - THIS is news, something our wonderful , bright hard working press core in this town would not recognize even after it were spoon fed to them by KFFL & Patsfans.com.

It would be awesome to see these two deals finsihed. A real tell as to progress with RS will be his reporting to camp on time and happy.
 
With all these speculations I cant wait for the day we get a confirmation that we have signed both of them. That day cant come soon enough.
 
Accurate?

Why do you think this rule is retroactive to deals signed before the signing of the new CBA? Does it state explicitly that it does include all prior contracts?

just curious,

D.
 
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dburgwin said:
Why do you think this rule is retroactive to deals signed before the signing of the new CBA? Does it state explicitly that it does include all prior contracts?

just curious,

D.
What I think has no standing, I shared what was reported on NFL Total Access. It is now up to some more intrepid reporter to quiz the NFLPA or League office for any clarification.
 
fgssand said:
Now see - THIS is news, something our wonderful , bright hard working press core in this town would not recognize even after it were spoon fed to them by KFFL & Patsfans.com.

Amen to that. Our illustrious Boston media is more interested in crying over the guys who left, than actually doing some footwork to find out what the Patriots might be up to. This news makes a whole lot of sense.
 
From the CBA:
"Section 9. Renegotiations and Extensions: Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows:

(a) The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.

(b) No Team and player may agree to renegotiate any term of a previously signed Player Contract for a prior League Year.

(c) No contract renegotiations may be done for a current season after the last regular season game of that season.

(d) A Player Contract signed by a Rookie may not be renegotiated except as provided in Article XVII (Entering Player Pool), Section 4(f).

(e) As provided in Article XXI (Final Eight Plan), Sections 3 and 4.

* No Player Contract, and no contract renegotiation or extension, may be agreed to between a Player and a Club for any term that expires prior to the last day of a League Year. All rights by a player to terminate a Player Contract must be exercised prior to the first day of any League Year to be terminated.[END QUOTE]

I happen to think that the NFL Network's report is incorrect. There is nothing to prevent the Pats and Seymour to reach a deal that lowers his 2006 salary. If Brady could redo his deal in September, 2004 and then extend his deal in March, 2005, why can't Seymour do the same??

Dillon redid his deal in April, 2005 and just redid his deal again in March, 2006. If the 12-month requirement was true, how was that possible??
 
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Miguel said:
From the CBA:
"Section 9. Renegotiations and Extensions: Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows:

(a) The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.

(b) No Team and player may agree to renegotiate any term of a previously signed Player Contract for a prior League Year.

(c) No contract renegotiations may be done for a current season after the last regular season game of that season.

(d) A Player Contract signed by a Rookie may not be renegotiated except as provided in Article XVII (Entering Player Pool), Section 4(f).

(e) As provided in Article XXI (Final Eight Plan), Sections 3 and 4.

* No Player Contract, and no contract renegotiation or extension, may be agreed to between a Player and a Club for any term that expires prior to the last day of a League Year. All rights by a player to terminate a Player Contract must be exercised prior to the first day of any League Year to be terminated.[END QUOTE]

I happen to think that the NFL Network's report is incorrect. There is nothing to prevent the Pats and Seymour to reach a deal that lowers his 2006 salary. If Brady could redo his deal in September, 2004 and then extend his deal in March, 2005, why can't Seymour do the same??

Dillon redid his deal in April, 2005 and just redid his deal again in March, 2006. If the 12-month requirement was true, how was that possible??

Fantastic work, as usual Miguel. You put the media to shame. I don't think that anything will stop the Patriots from signing Seymour once they agree on the numbers and terms of a new deal, IMO. The Patriots have a lot of money under the cap. That money is going somewhere. They are obviously not spending it on free agents. So where else is it going to go? :eek:
I won't be surprised to hear that Branch and/or Seymour sign new deals later on this offseason.
 
Seymour93 said:
the New England Patriots have been working to sign WR Deion Branch to a long-term extension before he is scheduled to hit the free-agent market after this season. The Patriots are highly confident that, unlike some of the players that got away this offseason, Branch will not be allowed to go anywhere.
Now this is good news.
 
Miguel said:
From the CBA:
"Section 9. Renegotiations and Extensions: Provided that all Salary Cap requirements are met, Player Contracts for current and future years may be renegotiated and/or extended except as follows:

(a) The contract of a Veteran Player may not be renegotiated to increase the Salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of twelve months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a Veteran Player Contract, however, may take place at any time.

(b) No Team and player may agree to renegotiate any term of a previously signed Player Contract for a prior League Year.

(c) No contract renegotiations may be done for a current season after the last regular season game of that season.

(d) A Player Contract signed by a Rookie may not be renegotiated except as provided in Article XVII (Entering Player Pool), Section 4(f).

(e) As provided in Article XXI (Final Eight Plan), Sections 3 and 4.

* No Player Contract, and no contract renegotiation or extension, may be agreed to between a Player and a Club for any term that expires prior to the last day of a League Year. All rights by a player to terminate a Player Contract must be exercised prior to the first day of any League Year to be terminated.[END QUOTE]

I happen to think that the NFL Network's report is incorrect. There is nothing to prevent the Pats and Seymour to reach a deal that lowers his 2006 salary. If Brady could redo his deal in September, 2004 and then extend his deal in March, 2005, why can't Seymour do the same??

Dillon redid his deal in April, 2005 and just redid his deal again in March, 2006. If the 12-month requirement was true, how was that possible??
I guess I don't really know if the exact wording is operative or not - but paragraph (a) governs renegotiation but doesn't mention extension and says salary rather than cap and specifies increase which doesn't seem to preclude a renegotiation if the salary component doesn't increase in years of the original terms.

As I say, don't know what you can read into exact words or not.
 
Cafardo finally comes to the table and agrees:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/30/scott_ready_to_start_over_again/

From Globe:

"Adam Schefter, reporter for the NFL Network makes a valid point, confirmed by the league office: the Patriots will not be able to consummate a new deal with Richard Seymour until August at the earliest. Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, a player can't have his contract redone twice in the same 12-month period. Seymour ended his holdout with an adjustment to his contract last August. The Patriots have to leave space for what would likely be a very large cap hit if Seymour's deal could be done. The Patriots also appear to be trying to get a deal done with Deion Branch, which could eat up significant room if Branch lands something close to what David Givens got in Tennessee (five years, $24 million with $8 million in guaranteed bonus money) ."
 
PatsRI said:
Cafardo finally comes to the table and agrees:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/30/scott_ready_to_start_over_again/

From Globe:

"Adam Schefter, reporter for the NFL Network makes a valid point, confirmed by the league office: the Patriots will not be able to consummate a new deal with Richard Seymour until August at the earliest. Under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, a player can't have his contract redone twice in the same 12-month period. Seymour ended his holdout with an adjustment to his contract last August. The Patriots have to leave space for what would likely be a very large cap hit if Seymour's deal could be done. The Patriots also appear to be trying to get a deal done with Deion Branch, which could eat up significant room if Branch lands something close to what David Givens got in Tennessee (five years, $24 million with $8 million in guaranteed bonus money) ."
Nick, thanks for following up. :cool:
 
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