Should we consider drafting Joe Alt in the first round?

signbabybrady · Mar 17, 2024

upstater1 said:
I didn't say Kraft didn't trust them. He obviously does.

But the personnel people are the same who recommended Mac Jones.

I have no reason to think they're any better at this than the Vikings people. If the Vikings people are hot to trade for the QB at #3, I would be wondering, do they know anything I don't know? Or are they just fools?

Wolf was still pretty new here and I doubt Mayo was tapped for his opinion on Mac so I wouldn't hold Mac against them. Bill, Groh, and Kraft sure. And please don't start a Bill debate let's keep this to draft talk please.

And you are way over thinking things with Minn. I don't know what their opinion is and who they are after and you skip that and jump to them being fools. Not sure why we need make that leap.

jmt57 · Mar 17, 2024

Most mock drafts have Alt going in the 5-7 range, so you can't trade down very far and still get him. The often overlooked problem with trading down is that there is no guarantee that the player you are targeting will still be available at that point.

To my amateur eyes there is a large drop off in the quality of offensive tackles after those projected to go in the first two rounds - so yes, the team needs to draft one by then. But it also needs a QB, which is the one position that is more important than OT. Do we really feel comfortable rolling the dice with the 4th-6th-8th QB to be drafted? Why should we expect that player to be better than the one available at #3? Next year's QB class is much weaker, so waiting to draft your franchise QB then makes no sense either.

Unless the front office group consensus is that they absolutely hate whichever QB is still available at #3, take your QB there. If you do trade down, negotiate an excellent haul in return.

As good as Alt is, I just can't wrap my head around the idea of neither taking a QB at #3, nor trading down.

Real fan 02 · Mar 17, 2024

PatsFan2 said:
QB is most Important Position on Offense it's Starts there if you can get one your Left Tackle don't have to be all world. That said I wouldn't take a Alt @ 3 definitely after a Trade Down.

I'm still traumatized by taking strange in the first round.. .. this is where we get out QB , now.if ALT is around at #34 absolutely?

Real fan 02 · Mar 17, 2024

jmt57 said:
Most mock drafts have Alt going in the 5-7 range, so you can't trade down very far and still get him. The often overlooked problem with trading down is that there is no guarantee that the player you are targeting will still be available at that point.

To my amateur eyes there is a large drop off in the quality of offensive tackles after those projected to go in the first two rounds - so yes, the team needs to draft one by then. But it also needs a QB, which is the one position that is more important than OT. Do we really feel comfortable rolling the dice with the 4th-6th-8th QB to be drafted? Why should we expect that player to be better than the one available at #3? Next year's QB class is much weaker, so waiting to draft your franchise QB then makes no sense either.

Unless the front office group consensus is that they absolutely hate whichever QB is still available at #3, take your QB there. If you do trade down, negotiate an excellent haul in return.

As good as Alt is, I just can't wrap my head around the idea of neither taking a QB at #3, nor trading down.

Spot on! QB is a must for us. We absolutely need help at LT, still amazes me we have not addressed LT in FA. Old friend Trent Brown is still out there. However for us to take an O lineman in the first round gives me Cole Strange vibes all over again!

TommyD4207 · Mar 17, 2024

Simpelton said:
Big thick tackle, fills a hole we need on the line, and would, at least in theory, make the job of any QB we happen to have much easier.

Looking at this roster, and especially at the way Mac got hung out to dry, taking the best OL in the draft just feels like the sort of thing we need to be thinking about. Remember we're coming off a year where not just QB was garbage but so was the ground game. One or the other struggling you look at the skill players, but if both are struggling together, the reason is usually weakness in the trenches.

and a tackle that can go 1v1 against the best pass rushers and help their guards is precious to both offense and defense. Success in the trenches keeps the offense on the field and getting some sustained drives will actually make the defense play better.

Frankly I'm looking down the list of possible QBs and see some guys who could make it into the second round that I definitely like. Spencer Rattler, Michael Pratt, Jordan Travis, JMIII, all promising guys and some of them will slip down to us. Pratt and JMIII in particular look very good to me

There's nothing sacred about the first round when it comes to finding your quarterback. Hell Brock Purdy's on his way to establishing himself as a premium QB and he was literally Mr. irrelevant. Meanwhile everyone knows the value of a good line. Alt will go quickly. I want to be the team he goes to.

I'd rather have Alt leading a revamped O-line and Pratt or JMIII under center, then Drake Maye and the a la carte mess of an OL we had last year.

The point being we have options beyond the first round to fill that need at QB, and top tacklees are worth their considerable weight in gold. It's something to think about.

Short answer: Yes.
Slightly longer answer: If you're dead-set against taking Harrison if he's there, yes, trade down a bit and get Alt. I think all the QBs after 1 are crapshoots.

TommyD4207 · Mar 17, 2024

Real fan 02 said:
Spot on! QB is a must for us. We absolutely need help at LT, still amazes me we have not addressed LT in FA. Old friend Trent Brown is still out there. However for us to take an O lineman in the first round gives me Cole Strange vibes all over again!

Trent Brown won't be back here, unless they offer him $30mil/yr.

40yrpatsfan · Mar 17, 2024

We won't be taking Alt cause we're taking a QB with our 1st pick, even if we trade down.

slash83 · Mar 17, 2024

A franchise LT for the next 10 years solidified? Heck yeah, if it’s not a qb it’s him, not MHJ.

VrabelJr · Mar 17, 2024

Kraft will force a QB at 3 because he wants to prove he can win without Brady. (See what I did there?)

MahomestoKelce · Mar 17, 2024

Wait. Take him to #3 oa? Absolutely not. Kraft would never sign off on it to begin with.

MahomestoKelce · Mar 17, 2024

slash83 said:
A franchise LT for the next 10 years solidified? Heck yeah, if it’s not a qb it’s him, not MHJ.

Great. And the QB going up against Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow etc is???

Simpelton · Mar 17, 2024

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MahomestoKelce said:
Great. And the QB going up against Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow etc is???

... a luxury to be acquired after there is a team for him to lead.

Until we lock down the line no QB we sign is going to thrive. An average QB can thrive with a good line. Nobody not named Fran Tarkenton thrives with a terrible line.

BTW of those guys the only one who even worries me is Mahomes. The Bills are on the way down, Jackson is an injury waiting to happen, and Joe Burrow is busy having a promising career destroyed because of EXACTLY the mistake I'm talking about -- neglecting the offensive line until your quarterback is a corpse. Wouldn't surprise me if Burrow and Herbert get outright Andrew Lucked out of several productive seasons because ownership is pretending everything is fine because We HaVe A QuArTeRbAcK.

if nothing else the Jets should demonstrate that not even an elite QB makes up for utter failure in the trenches. I think we can figure out how to not make that same mistake made by the 4 least competent franchises in recent NFL history (Jets, Colts, Bengals, Chargers)

MahomestoKelce · Mar 17, 2024

Simpelton said:
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... a luxury to be acquired after there is a team for him to lead.

Until we lock down the line no QB we sign is going to thrive. An average QB can thrive with a good line. Nobody not named Fran Tarkenton thrives with a terrible line.

BTW of those guys the only one who even worries me is Mahomes. The Bills are on the way down, Jackson is an injury waiting to happen, and Joe Burrow is busy having a promising career destroyed because of EXACTLY the mistake I'm talking about -- neglecting the offensive line until your quarterback is a corpse. Wouldn't surprise me if Burrow and Herbert get outright Andrew Lucked out of several productive seasons because ownership is pretending everything is fine because We HaVe A QuArTeRbAcK.

Can we not make that same mistake made by the 3 least competent franchises in recent NFL history (Colts, Bengals, Chargers)

Realistically, I'm going to say there's no chance of an OT being taken at 3. It'll be whatever QB Washington doesn't take.

lancerman · Mar 17, 2024

kevan said:
Insufferable? I'm sorry but Alt and MHJ are as sure bets as you can get. To project them into the league is so much easier than the qbs. That's just an objective take. Doesn't mean there's not misses at wr and tackle it just means the pedigree that these 2 individual players MHj and Alt have combined with their skills and talents make them as surefire as it gets 100%

Yup. If Daniels or Maye weren't at the QB position, they are like 15-25 picks. Very solid but plenty of flaws. Harrison and Alt would go top 3 if it was strictly best player available. They "could" in theory bust, but it would be a pretty big bust. If Daniels or Maye busted, wouldn't be anymore shocking than what happened to Zach Wilson or Mac Jones.

The QB's are getting drafted out of positional importance. Not because that's where they role up in terms of players. If we had even an average top 20 QB, we'd be talking about passing on a QB at 3 even if we would like an upgrade. This is more about us being QB needy.

Simpelton · Mar 17, 2024

I think there's a distinct possibility of a trade down with the Vikings moving up to 3 and us getting 2 firsts back, theirs and the one they just yoinked from Houston. That'd put us at 11 with another low first. If we're looking for help on the line and a decent QB rather than getting starry eyed about premium picks with a ~40% bust rate, that's not a bad deal.

oceansizer · Mar 17, 2024

3rd pick for sure is not a guarantee of taking a star, a franchise QB. I know one thing , QB is the most important position in entire football, you have to find one to make your team succeeded. However 3rd pick gives opportunity to get one of 4 most valuable QBs - Williams, Daniels, Maye or JJ without a risk of stealing them. Trading down based on some strategy ( no matter how good is that strategy ) does not guarantee this man will be waiting for you. I assume there is a strong chance these four men will not be available let's say with a pick 11th. I cannot even imagine our management choose one of these QBs but they miss him in a consequence of trading down.
So if you decide to trade down to get some extra picks be very careful not to be a victim of your own games.

Simpelton · Mar 17, 2024

BTW thinking about who might be left if we wait to draft a QB, has anyone here seen tape on Jordan Travis? Not the tallest guy but he seems to see the field really well, is able to make quick decisions and find his man with accuracy. Makes difficult throws look easy due to efficient motion. from what little I can see I like the look of him. One of the more Bradylike picks on the board.

Actually thought I'd mistakenly loaded Brock Purdy video because he has the same number and plays a similar style. I think Travis would be an extremely interesting early 2nd round flier if he's there.

slash83 · Mar 17, 2024

MahomestoKelce said:
Great. And the QB going up against Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow etc is???

I did say, if it’s not a QB.

FortressX · Mar 17, 2024

Drew had Bruce Armstrong

TB12 had Matt Light

I just don't want to see the Patriots become like JETE and always win the offseason and then get their butts kicked come September.

No SB for the Pats this year no matter who they draft

slash83 · Mar 17, 2024

VrabelJr said:
Kraft will force a QB at 3 because he wants to prove he can win without Brady. (See what I did there?)

I agree, I think he desperately wants a new face of the franchise qb. That’s why I’m not buying a trade down with Minnesota.

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