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But you don’t learn by watching another seasoned professional do their job first?
You learn by doing.
You said he was Mac Jones, Brissett’s ratio of TD’s to Interceptions for his career is closer to 3-1 than not including rushing TD’s… Mac is closer to 1-1 the last two years… and you think that’s similar.
2.4 to 3.4 int ratio
same anemic TD ratio
same anemic qb rating
same inability to score points.

so yeah, i do think its similar.

You also dismissed player development as not being a thing, so again… there’s not much to talk about.
I do dismiss player development when its tied to the apron strings of another player. You don't develop as a player by watching others, you develop by practice. By learning the game - practice & film work. By playing the game - experiencing what works for you, what doesn't then making adjustments.


And answer the question - I know you read it.
 
You learn by doing.

2.4 to 3.4 int ratio
same anemic TD ratio
same anemic qb rating
same inability to score points.

so yeah, i do think its similar.


I do dismiss player development when its tied to the apron strings of another player. You don't develop as a player by watching others, you develop by practice. By learning the game - practice & film work. By playing the game - experiencing what works for you, what doesn't then making adjustments.


And answer the question - I know you read it.
I think it’s been so long you’ve completely forgotten what it’s like being a college student.

Also “you” learn by doing, others learn by watching and emulating from a more experienced tutor.

It’s also helpful to have a sounding board who isn’t an authority figure that you can bounce ideas off of and ask questions a coach maybe won’t quite understand.

It’s also good to have a big strong experienced guy who can carry the load until you’re mentally and physically prepared to handle it.

Tom wasn’t ready to start in 2000, especially on what was clearly a bad rebuilding roster. A year later after working with Mike Woicik in the strength and conditioning program he was better prepared when it was forced upon him… in the words of BB he didn’t become Brady until 2003… year four.

Player development isn’t a myth.
 
Not Jacoby. Thats what I was hoping for. Just like I was hoping for "Not Mac" a few years ago.

We trying to reset this team? Move in a different direction? Well congratz, we just pulled off a classic Belichick move with this one.
So who would you prefer?
 
I think it’s been so long you’ve completely forgotten what it’s like being a college student.
Has zero to do with anything. Just another personal shot from you. This time about age. Answer the question sent you. Why the turn to personal insults Wozzy?
Also “you” learn by doing, others learn by watching and emulating from a more experienced tutor.
Experience is the best teacher. These guys aren't 5 year olds taking Karate for the first time. They are football players who have been playing for most of their lives.
It’s also helpful to have a sounding board who isn’t an authority figure that you can bounce ideas off of and ask questions a coach maybe won’t quite understand.
Thats what coaches are for.
It’s also good to have a big strong experienced guy who can carry the load until you’re mentally and physically prepared to handle it.
Yeah, lets ask CJ Stroud about that one.
Tom wasn’t ready to start in 2000, especially on what was clearly a bad rebuilding roster. A year later after working with Mike Woicik in the strength and conditioning program he was better prepared when it was forced upon him… in the words of BB he didn’t become Brady until 2003… year four.

Player development isn’t a myth.
Thanks for making my point - Bradys development was based on his drive - his ambition. Not by sitting around and watching what Bledsoe did.

By learning. By watching film. By doing. Everything I just said.
 
Has zero to do with anything. Just another personal shot from you. This time about age. Answer the question sent you. Why the turn to personal insults Wozzy?
************… me saying you argue like a child is no more insulting than you saying “no sht Sherlock” in a condescending way after I make my point.

There’s no need to send me private messages, you need to grow a thicker skin.
Experience is the best teacher. These guys aren't 5 year olds taking Karate for the first time. They are football players who have been playing for most of their lives.
Not professionally.
Thats what coaches are for.
Why do tutors exist?
Yeah, let’s ask CJ Stroud about that one.
Davis Mills walked so CJ Stroud could run.

Also a one person example doesn’t equate to “everyone.”
Thanks for making my point - Bradys development was based on his drive - his ambition. Not by sitting around and watching what Bledsoe did.

By learning. By watching film. By doing. Everything I just said.
Brady sat for a year…. you seem to ignore some inconvenient truths.

Like I said twice before, you think player development isn’t a thing, you think Mac Jones turning the ball over at a 1-1 ratio is the same as Brissett doing it at a 2.5-1 ratio… so we have nothing to discuss.

If you were entrenched in the notion of a flat Earth and wouldn’t listen to basic reason… I’d say the same.

Agree to disagree, and cowboy up… saying your stance is like that of a ten year old is not an insult.

If you spent some time on the old boston.com/forums you’d know… that was a flame war with almost no mods. This is pleasant conversation.
 
I do dismiss player development when its tied to the apron strings of another player. You don't develop as a player by watching others, you develop by practice. By learning the game - practice & film work. By playing the game - experiencing what works for you, what doesn't then making adjustments.


And answer the question - I know you read it.
Then how do you explain that the current GOAT and the guy who MIGHT become the future GOAT both essentially sat out their first year?
 
Then how do you explain that the current GOAT and the guy who MIGHT become the future GOAT both essentially sat out their first year?
self made.

It does not matter that they sat. They had the drive to become better. They did that by working at their craft. Not watching others practice their craft.
 
Jacoby will not set the world on fire but he is a good guy.
 
I am not understanding why so many are down on this signing, and why so many are making this a binary equation.

No matter who your long term starting QB is going to be, the team also needs a backup QB.

If the Patriots draft a QB at #3, they still need a veteran backup QB. (Zappe is not a veteran.)

If the Patriots trade down and draft a second tier QB (McCarthy, Nix, etc.), they still need a veteran QB.

With so many holes to fill on the roster, it didn't make sense to sign an expensive veteran QB with a limited ceiling (Cousins, Mayfield, Jimmy G).

If you want to make a case that the Patriots should have signed a different inexpensive veteran QB like Flacco, fine.

In regards to comparisons to other rookie QBs that did start right away (like Stroud) - hey, if the new rookie proves himself to be ready to go and he starts right away, great! But the team still needed a veteran backup QB even if that does happen. Signing Brissett does not automatically disqualify the rookie QB.
 
He grew up in California and played football in Arizona/Louisiana. Until he declares "Bring on the wind, sleet and snow!" I'm skeptical.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with this.

Based on that logic northern teams should never draft players who both grew up in, and played college in a warm climate?

That eliminates almost the entire base of SEC players!

Patrick Mahomes (state of Texas; Texas Tech) and Brett Favre (state of Mississippi; Southern Miss) are a couple of players off the top of my head who would contradict that opinion.
 
I'm going to respectfully disagree with this.

Based on that logic northern teams should never draft players who both grew up in, and played college in a warm climate?

That eliminates almost the entire base of SEC players!

Patrick Mahomes (state of Texas; Texas Tech) and Brett Favre (state of Mississippi; Southern Miss) are a couple of players off the top of my head who would contradict that opinion.

I know, it probably boils down to much ado about nothing. If they pick Daniels hopefully he lights it up.
 
self made.

It does not matter that they sat. They had the drive to become better. They did that by working at their craft. Not watching others practice their craft.
You know what's nuts? The only SB era HoF QB who wasn't picked 1st overall but ended up starting right off the bat was Jim Kelly (who finished 4-12 that year). There were those like Marino who didn't start until week 6.

I'm all for having the highly picked rook sit for a pinch before getting the starting nod... probably not an entire year, though... unless Bris or Zap light it up by some miracle.
 
self made.

It does not matter that they sat. They had the drive to become better. They did that by working at their craft. Not watching others practice their craft.
When you come into the league at QB has to learn the different speed of the game. He has process a LOT more at the LOS and post snap than he EVER did in college. That takes time and reps.....PRACTICE reps. You do NOT learn those skills in the 2 months of work prior to the season.

In an ideal world your rookie QB will make mistakes, cost you games, but will learn from those mistakes and gradually those errors fade away, his processing time decreases (over SEVERAL years), and you have a QB you can win with. BUT the risk is, and we have seen it many times, you might find that your athletically gifted young QB isn't mentally or physically tough enough to produce for the long haul (case in point Tony Eason, who had some VERY good statistical seasons, but just couldn't take the beating QB's took back then.) Or more recently the Mac Jones saga.

Perhaps the QB who is left to us will win the Job in training camp or get the starting job sometime in October or November, OR pretty much sit the first 17 weeks. I don't know. IMHO it is the most difficult job in sports. The LONG term success of your rookie can't be judged on their first year. (as we have so recently seen) McDaniels spoon fed Mac to a very successful rookie year. After that he was pretty much thrown to the wolves and he became a shadow of the kid we saw in 21. I do NOT want to see a repeat of that with DM or JD.
 
You know what's nuts? The only SB era HoF QB who wasn't picked 1st overall but ended up starting right off the bat was Jim Kelly (who finished 4-12 that year). There were those like Marino who didn't start until week 6.

I'm all for having the highly picked rook sit for a pinch before getting the starting nod... probably not an entire year, though... unless Bris or Zap light it up by some miracle.
Brees? Roethlisberger? Ryan? Not in the HoF yet, but will be or are borderline HoF players...
 
I'm going to respectfully disagree with this.

Based on that logic northern teams should never draft players who both grew up in, and played college in a warm climate?

That eliminates almost the entire base of SEC players!

Patrick Mahomes (state of Texas; Texas Tech) and Brett Favre (state of Mississippi; Southern Miss) are a couple of players off the top of my head who would contradict that opinion.
Man it gets cold in Lubbock, tho. Mid to high 20s avg low in the winter.
 
When you come into the league at QB has to learn the different speed of the game. He has process a LOT more at the LOS and post snap than he EVER did in college. That takes time and reps.....PRACTICE reps. You do NOT learn those skills in the 2 months of work prior to the season.

In an ideal world your rookie QB will make mistakes, cost you games, but will learn from those mistakes and gradually those errors fade away, his processing time decreases (over SEVERAL years), and you have a QB you can win with. BUT the risk is, and we have seen it many times, you might find that your athletically gifted young QB isn't mentally or physically tough enough to produce for the long haul (case in point Tony Eason, who had some VERY good statistical seasons, but just couldn't take the beating QB's took back then.) Or more recently the Mac Jones saga.

Perhaps the QB who is left to us will win the Job in training camp or get the starting job sometime in October or November, OR pretty much sit the first 17 weeks. I don't know. IMHO it is the most difficult job in sports. The LONG term success of your rookie can't be judged on their first year. (as we have so recently seen) McDaniels spoon fed Mac to a very successful rookie year. After that he was pretty much thrown to the wolves and he became a shadow of the kid we saw in 21. I do NOT want to see a repeat of that with DM or JD.
text book recital of "how things should be"

You know the rookie isn't going to get the start? Then you know hes not going to get those practice reps. The starter has to prepare. Thus you start the process by limiting the growth of the player right off the bat.

The game is not going to get slower until they start playing.
 
As noted earlier, mediocrity is a low bar to aspire to but if that is what satisfies you, that's your business. Signing Brissett epitomizes "playing it safe" because he was on the street, came relatively cheap and is fine with being a stop-gap rental, in addition to being familiar to the OC. Better veteran QB options with greater upside re. winning during the interim of grooming a rookie were available. But of course, they would've cost more in salary and/or trade capital.

Impatience isn't the issue here; no, Rome wasn't built in a day and no one is expecting 10-12 wins. But it's not unreasonable to expect this team to do everything possible toward winning in the short term while rebuilding for the future.
So do you believe the Patriots shouldn’t have signed a vet QB? Are you ready to roll with a QB room of Zappe and a rookie QB?

If you’re not expecting a 10 win season but you want to improve on a 4 win season then guess what…anything above 4 but less than 10 wins is MEDIOCRE.

OF COURSE the team wants to try and win in the short term while building for the future, but you need pieces in place to do that to include a vet QB presence that excepts his role as a short term starter and/or QB mentor. Any decent NFL front office understands this…Wolf and Co. aren’t gonna roll into next season with a QB room of Zappe/rookie QB…that would be akin to criminal negligence . There’s nothing complicated to understand there.
 
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Brees? Roethlisberger? Ryan? Not in the HoF yet, but will be or are borderline HoF players...
Brees didn't start his 1st year. Played just one game, really (Flutie injury mid game)

BRoth didn't start right off the bat. He's not a HoFer, anyway, especially with the extracurriculars.

MRyan is not a HoFer - I don't do borderline - Have to deal with a MIL like that. Perfect example though and what we certainly would hope for if the Pats pick a QB at #3. Depends on the maturity of the prospect... The fact that MRyan was in BC for 5 years probably helped with that.
 


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