NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION NFL Divisional game: KC @ Buffalo

Uptown said:

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The Buffalo defense always gets owned by Andy Reid

The Buffalo Bills defense has not beaten a Patriots team led by the Cork in more than a calendar year. I'm just sayin....

sb1 said:

The Buffalo Bills defense has not beaten a Patriots team led by the Cork in more than a calendar year. I'm just sayin....

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They were running with 3rd string LBs vs the Chiefs. The writing was on the wall

Bills QB's from Kelly to Allen


Woof. Flutie might have been the best QB in this list. And JP Losman and EJ Manuel were first round picks. I hope we don't have to go through this before we find our guy.

sb1 said:

And JP Losman and EJ Manuel were first round picks.

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Wasn't Drew Bledsoe also (traded for) a first round pick?

PF_SU said:

Wasn't Drew Bledsoe also (traded for) a first round pick?

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Yes he was. Our first round pick in the twilight of his career. Still did all right there not sure how he lost his job to Losman.

sb1 said:

Yes he was. Our first round pick in the twilight of his career. Still did all right there not sure how he lost his job to Losman.

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He didn't. Drew went to Dallas to team back up with Parcells.

Uptown said:

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Funny how I've mentioned that for a few years now, yet there was either crickets or pushback. The Bills defense has been crap for years. Stop relying on "rankings". They never tell the full story.

Josh Allen doesn't get a pass this year though as he **** the bed.

Kargetina said:

Allen blew the game on 2nd and 3rd down. They were 20 yards from a TD, controlled the clock, if they scored, the Chiefs would have needed a TD. This bozo goes for the endzone twice when he had wide open receivers for a first down that would have continued the clock

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Horse crap. Allen played a fantastic game.

You ALWAYS take the endzone when you have it. The only reason it wasn't a TD is because Allen got hit as he was throwing the ball. Nothing he can do about that.

Those saying he should have hit Diggs on the crosser are clueless. Even if Diggs gets the first down, what if Cook fumbles the next play, like he is known to do? What if a pass gets tipped on the next play and its INT'ed? What if we get a holding penalty the next play and it becomes 20 yards to get a first down?

Allen went for the endzone and it was 100% the right decision.

Ross12 said:

Bills window closing faster and faster.

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Wish I had a dollar for every time i've heard this. Has to be at a few thousand by now.

So many people have been saying this after the last three off-seasons, and every year we are right back to the divisional round or AFCCG.

GreenCow said:

Wish I had a dollar for every time i've heard this. Has to be at a few thousand by now.

So many people have been saying this after the last three off-seasons, and every year we are right back to the divisional round or AFCCG.

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So when do you start hanging those 'Wildcard Round Champion' banners?

TommyD4207 said:

So when do you start hanging those 'Wildcard Round Champion' banners?

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Yeah it's not enough for me ether. I agree. I'm just laughing at the "window" talk. The Bills window is open as long as Josh Allen is around.

Bills beat KC if half the defense (literally) wasn't out.

GreenCow said:

Yeah it's not enough for me ether. I agree. I'm just laughing at the "window" talk. The Bills window is open as long as Josh Allen is around.

Bills beat KC if half the defense (literally) wasn't out.

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Yes, 50 million over the cap, with 31 players signed, and 22 free agents. That's the telltale sign of a team with a wide-open window.

TommyD4207 said:

Yes, 50 million over the cap, with 31 players signed, and 22 free agents. That's the telltale sign of a team with a wide-open window.

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Remind me in 8 months.

GreenCow said:

Wish I had a dollar for every time i've heard this. Has to be at a few thousand by now.

So many people have been saying this after the last three off-seasons, and every year we are right back to the divisional round or AFCCG.

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"The window" will stay open as long as Allen is there, but the rest of the team as whole isn't going to cut it. Cook and Kincaid are the future on offense. The defense needs a revamp badly in the 2nd and 3rd levels. The Bills and Dolphins are basically the Cowboys of the AFC.

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"The window" will stay open as long as Allen is there, but the rest of the team as whole isn't going to cut it. Cook and Kincaid are the future on offense. The defense needs a revamp badly in the 2nd and 3rd levels. The Bills and Dolphins are basically the Cowboys of the AFC.

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You're right. We will likely have 2 completely new safeties next year with Hyde and Poyer done (sad - they were amazing).

GreenCow said:

Wish I had a dollar for every time i've heard this. Has to be at a few thousand by now.

So many people have been saying this after the last three off-seasons, and every year we are right back to the divisional round or AFCCG.

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I mean... They would've been out of the playoffs entirely if the last week of the season went just slightly differently. Then they made the playoffs and won 1 playoff game against Mason Rudolph. Their team will be demonstrably worse next year. Is it not safe to assume that being demonstrably worse than a team that just barely squeaked into the postseason is a team with a closing window?

Ross12 said:

I mean... They would've been out of the playoffs entirely if the last week of the season went just slightly differently.

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I guess I don't understand this point. The Bills would have been out of the playoffs completely if they didn't win their 11th game in the last week? I mean... that probably goes for half the playoff teams. You have to win enough games to make it.

It's not like the Bills needed help to get in from other teams. It was a "win and in". And they won.

Ross12 said:

Their team will be demonstrably worse next year.

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Based on... what?

The offense will be almost exactly the same (plus whatever offensive players we draft).

Offense
- Returning the entire O-line - which was a top 10 unit.
- Returning a top 3 QB.
- Returning a top 10 RB.
- Returning every WR except Gabe Davis, who Bills fans want gone.

Defense
- Returning the entire starting D-Line (except Jones, who we will re-sign)
- We are also returning all starting LB's (Milano, Bernard)
- We are also returning all starting CB's (Douglas, Rasul, Johnson)

On offense we are losing Gabe Davis and on defense we are losing both safeties, who as much as I love them, probably should have been let go last offseason. They were a liability all season.

There are various backups/depth players being lost, but our team is returning almost entirely intact.

GreenCow said:

I guess I don't understand this point. The Bills would have been out of the playoffs completely if they didn't win their 11th game in the last week? I mean... that probably goes for half the playoff teams. You have to win enough games to make it.

It's not like the Bills needed help to get in from other teams. It was a "win and in". And they won.


Based on... what?

The offense will be almost exactly the same (plus whatever offensive players we draft).

Offense
- Returning the entire O-line - which was a top 10 unit.
- Returning a top 3 QB.
- Returning a top 10 RB.
- Returning every WR except Gabe Davis, who Bills fans want gone.

Defense
- Returning the entire starting D-Line (except Jones, who we will re-sign)
- We are also returning all starting LB's (Milano, Bernard)
- We are also returning all starting CB's (Douglas, Rasul, Johnson)

On offense we are losing Gabe Davis and on defense we are losing both safeties, who as much as I love them, probably should have been let go last offseason. They were a liability all season.

There are various backups/depth players being lost, but our team is returning almost entirely intact.

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They're way over the cap. What casualties will need to happen to get under the cap, sign a draft class and get to 51 players?

Ross12 said:

They're way over the cap. What casualties will need to happen to get under the cap, sign a draft class and get to 51 players?

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Restructuring Allen (which they do every year), Milano, Knox, Oliver and McGovern while extending Dawkins and Douglas (both only have a year or two left on contract) and cutting our backup punt returner (Hines) will get the Bills over $10M in the positive.

While bringing back the entire core team. Plus all our draft picks.