[Old 2020 thread] NFL Free Agency/Trade Rumors:

festy1986 said:

God help us now.

We have a QB issue more than anything

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For the last twenty years, Belichick has run a program based on the idea that a well-coached team that plays well on special teams, doesn't turn the ball over, and avoids bad penalties will win more often than not, no matter who's playing quarterback (or any other position).

The whole idea of the Patriot way is emphasis on execution and work over raw talent and stars. Brady didn't set the world on fire in his early years. They won with guys like Cassell and Garoppalo.

Stidham arguably has more raw talent than any other QB they've brought in for years. In college he didn't turn the ball over. I don't understand why people aren't excited by this situation. It's like everyone has forgotten the last 20 years.

Don Kipines said:

For the last twenty years, Belichick has run a program based on the idea that a well-coached team that plays well on special teams, doesn't turn the ball over, and avoids bad penalties will win more often than not, no matter who's playing quarterback (or any other position).

The whole idea of the Patriot way is emphasis on execution and work over raw talent and stars. Brady didn't set the world on fire in his early years. They won with guys like Cassell and Garoppalo.

Stidham arguably has more raw talent than any other QB they've brought in for years. In college he didn't turn the ball over. I don't understand why people aren't excited by this situation. It's like everyone has forgotten the last 20 years.

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stidham 4 passes, two incompletions and 1 pick 6.

That's what he did when asked to protest the ball

Don Kipines said:

For the last twenty years, Belichick has run a program based on the idea that a well-coached team that plays well on special teams, doesn't turn the ball over, and avoids bad penalties will win more often than not, no matter who's playing quarterback (or any other position).
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AS LONG AS THE QUARTERBACK WAS NAMED TOM

I'm rather tired of listened to how great a job Cassel did. The 2007 team was arguably one of the best teams in the history of the game [had they won the SB, more would have though so]. The 2008 team changed QB's and had a much, much easier schedule, one of the easiest in the league. Not only didn't Cassel not get us to the Super Bowl, the team couldn't even make the playoffs.
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Also, we often discuss QB's who play a few games and won. I guess that we should consider Newhouse a great LT since he stepped in and the team won every game in which he started.
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The reality is that Belichick and team did lots and lots to support and work with the best QB to have ever played the game. To make believe that Brady wasn't a critical component is rubbish.

festy1986 said:

stidham 4 passes, two incompletions and 1 pick 6.

That's what he did when asked to protest the ball

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Brady was 1-3 in his only game action in 2000, two of those could’ve been picked. His one completion was a 6 yard screen pass. Let’s not get crazing basing things off of 4 attempts.

scott99 said:

Brady was 1-3 in his only game action in 2000, two of those could’ve been picked. His one completion was a 6 yard screen pass. Let’s not get crazing basing things off of 4 attempts.

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Yup. And I wouldn't of been excited for my teams future prospects then either.

Far less FAR LESS stories like bradys than what is likely stidhams future.

If anything bill has drafted well for his QBs, stidham likely belongs in the league based on that history but hes likely more a Ryan mallet than he is a tom brady.

supafly said:

Good stuff! He should be a key piece moving forward. Thank you, Ross.

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Thank Miguel, saw it on his Twitter. Just passing the info along.

ChrisR2223 said:

Some team would definitely sign him to a offer sheet and gladly hand over a first.

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Dunno about that. Pats will have plenty of space to match sensible offers. If some desperate team wants to come blow big money and their first on him, the Pats would probably gladly take their likely top-half-of-the-1st-round pick as recompense.

In reality I think he's a player that gets tagged with the first round tender next year but then gets extended late in that same offseason or by midseason, assuming no one else forces their hand first with matching an offer. He deserves an extension but no sense in doing it early when you control the player and can do it in a way that keeps more of your money free for a bit longer.

captain stone said:

Bentley sucks.

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He did have a bit of a sophomore slump, it seemed. Remains to be seen how much of that was due to having to be behind Hightower, KVN and Collins. More reps, maybe more growth? Hopefully he can take a third-year leap. Seems to grasp the playbook fine (he's worn the green dot). Just has to make more plays.

Don Kipines said:

The whole idea of the Patriot way is emphasis on execution and work over raw talent and stars. Brady didn't set the world on fire in his early years.

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Tom Brady passer rating rank:

2001 - 6
2002 - 9
2003 - 10
2004 - 9
2005 - 6
2006 - 9
2007 - 1

Brady made the Pro Bowl in 2001, 2004 and 2005

Brady was player of the week multiple times in 2001, 2002, and 2003, and once in 2005

Bradys passing yards rank:

2001 - 21
2002 - 6
2003 - 6
2004 - 10
2005 - 1
2006 - 7
2007 - 1

Brady passing TDs rank:

2001 - 14
2002 - 1
2003 - 10
2004 - 6
2005 - 3
2006 - 4
2007 - 1


So despite the narrative that's frequently trotted out, it's not as if he was a scrub, or even a "game manager" before Moss & Co. arrived.

And that's not even counting the 3 SB wins.

festy1986 said:

Yup. And I wouldn't of been excited for my teams future prospects then either.

Far less FAR LESS stories like bradys than what is likely stidhams future.

If anything bill has drafted well for his QBs, stidham likely belongs in the league based on that history but hes likely more a Ryan mallet than he is a tom brady.

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I would put a huge wager that Stidham will become way better than Mallett ever was. His preseason performance was 10x better than Mallett ever was in all of his preseasons put together. Not saying he will be Tom Brady, just saying, Belichick can probably win with Stidham.

Deus Irae said:

Tom Brady passer rating rank:

2001 - 6
2002 - 9
2003 - 10
2004 - 9
2005 - 6
2006 - 9
2007 - 1

Brady made the Pro Bowl in 2001, 2004 and 2005

Brady was player of the week multiple times in 2001, 2002, and 2003, and once in 2005

Bradys passing yards rank:

2001 - 21
2002 - 6
2003 - 6
2004 - 10
2005 - 1
2006 - 7
2007 - 1

Brady passing TDs rank:

2001 - 14
2002 - 1
2003 - 10
2004 - 6
2005 - 3
2006 - 4
2007 - 1


So despite the narrative that's frequently trotted out, it's not as if he was a scrub, or even a "game manager" before Moss & Co. arrived.

And that's not even counting the 3 SB wins.

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Brady was excellent from year 1 on (as a starter) very underrated. Even during his 2nd SB, players on the Panthers sideline were saying, the game isn’t over because of that dude on the other sideline. Already had a reputation in season three. Just clutch already by his 3rd season. His playoff success is where his legend was born. But the 2007 season is where he lost that “game manager” moniker.

festy1986 said:

stidham 4 passes, two incompletions and 1 pick 6.

That's what he did when asked to protest the ball

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You're seriously making a conclusion based on four attempts?

Stidham in his college career threw 13 interceptions in 848 attempts. He certainly looked capable of being a game manager type in preseason. And there's clearly enough talent there so that it's not crazy to dream of him being more someday. Would there be more optimism if he were a first-rounder? Or did people want Brady to stay until he was 50? This had to happen sometime, and there was always going to be a moment when the team was handed to a young QB. Why not Stidham?

festy1986 said:

stidham 4 passes, two incompletions and 1 pick 6.

That's what he did when asked to protest the ball

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Don Kipines said:

You're seriously making a conclusion based on four attempts?

Stidham in his college career threw 13 interceptions in 848 attempts. He certainly looked capable of being a game manager type in preseason. And there's clearly enough talent there so that it's not crazy to dream of him being more someday. Would there be more optimism if he were a first-rounder? Or did people want Brady to stay until he was 50? This had to happen sometime, and there was always going to be a moment when the team was handed to a young QB. Why not Stidham?

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Brady over stidham in season 2020.

Its not a hard take to have and frankly I feel quite comfortable that the season will show this to be the right take

Don Kipines said:

You're seriously making a conclusion based on four attempts?

Stidham in his college career threw 13 interceptions in 848 attempts. He certainly looked capable of being a game manager type in preseason. And there's clearly enough talent there so that it's not crazy to dream of him being more someday. Would there be more optimism if he were a first-rounder? Or did people want Brady to stay until he was 50? This had to happen sometime, and there was always going to be a moment when the team was handed to a young QB. Why not Stidham?

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Stidham doesn’t have a high ceiling. I want a QB we can win a super bowl with

NG Pats Fan said:

Stidham doesn’t have a high ceiling. I want a QB we can win a super bowl with

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how do any of us know what stidham’s ceiling is?

Ochmed Jones said:

how do any of us know what stidham’s ceiling is?

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just my opinion. It’s not alone.

Deus Irae said:

Tom Brady passer rating rank:

2001 - 6
2002 - 9
2003 - 10
2004 - 9
2005 - 6
2006 - 9
2007 - 1

Brady made the Pro Bowl in 2001, 2004 and 2005

Brady was player of the week multiple times in 2001, 2002, and 2003, and once in 2005

Bradys passing yards rank:

2001 - 21
2002 - 6
2003 - 6
2004 - 10
2005 - 1
2006 - 7
2007 - 1

Brady passing TDs rank:

2001 - 14
2002 - 1
2003 - 10
2004 - 6
2005 - 3
2006 - 4
2007 - 1


So despite the narrative that's frequently trotted out, it's not as if he was a scrub, or even a "game manager" before Moss & Co. arrived.

And that's not even counting the 3 SB wins.

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I dont agree with you a whole lot but I think it be easier to ignore the brady haters at this point.

It's so irrational that it defies belief. I cant believe there are people out there that cant see with their own eyes what that man did for this franchise.

Don Kipines said:

For the last twenty years, Belichick has run a program based on the idea that a well-coached team that plays well on special teams, doesn't turn the ball over, and avoids bad penalties will win more often than not, no matter who's playing quarterback (or any other position).

The whole idea of the Patriot way is emphasis on execution and work over raw talent and stars. Brady didn't set the world on fire in his early years. They won with guys like Cassell and Garoppalo.

Stidham arguably has more raw talent than any other QB they've brought in for years. In college he didn't turn the ball over. I don't understand why people aren't excited by this situation. It's like everyone has forgotten the last 20 years.

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Brady has a unique raw talent in terms of recognition of defenses and an innate ability to see the the play before it unfolds. 90% of the time he knows who will be open and where they will open and where the ball needs to be before everyone else on the field. That’s because of hard work, but that is also a kind raw and unique talent. I have never seen any QB besides Manning who has that kind of talent.

festy1986 said:

stidham 4 passes, two incompletions and 1 pick 6.

That's what he did when asked to protest the ball

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Brady’s very last pass in NE was a pick 6....when asked to protect the ball...shall I go on??? Give the kid a chance

Mingoes to another team..

festy1986 said:

Brady over stidham in season 2020.

Its not a hard take to have and frankly I feel quite comfortable that the season will show this to be the right take

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Brady + 12M less in capspace with the weapons remaining the same is a tighter comparison in overall value than looking at the comfortable place Brady found for himself in TB. Gotta keep the context in mind.

And the season won't proof anything either way no matter where it goes. If Brady has a great or awful year in TB it wouldn't give you any indication how he would have done here under completely different circumstances. And vice versa for Stidham.