Judge Vacates Aaron Hernandez Conviction

supafly said:

but I wanted to know all circumstances as to why a policy may be denied.

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Trust me, very good of you to do your homework, but I'm sure he was very suspicious of you for asking that question.

TommyBrady12 said:

Hernandez was nothing but a stupid recommendation from urban meyer along with the failed brandon spikes experiment. I'm glad we are staying away from the ohio state pipeline.

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Wait, what? Hernandez and Spikes were both Florida Gators.

Blaming Urban Meyer is ridiculous, and somehow attempting to blame the "Ohio State pipeline" is even stranger.

brdmaverick said:

Trust me, very good of you to do your homework, but I'm sure he was very suspicious of you for asking that question.

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I'm sure he was. In hindsight, I don't think that I'd bring it up again, but I did preface it with the idea of wanting to know what any/all possible circumstances would be for denial.

Of course, coming back around to the idea of "taking a shotgun and a bottle of whiskey out to the woods" likely could have been worded in a different manner.

(Edit: not meaning to joke about such a serious issue, only at the stupidity of my comment)

supafly said:

Blaming Urban Meyer is ridiculous, and somehow attempting to blame the "Ohio State pipeline" is even stranger.

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The fact of the matter is after drafting all those Gators, we haven't touched an Urban Meyer product since. I know Belichick was at the Ohio State coaches thingy a month or so ago, but it is what it is. Even despite Greg Schiano being at Ohio State it just hasn't happened. Coincidence ? Causation ? I don't know.

Thelonious said:

Under the circumstances, I couldn't possibly care less about his "football potential." Doing so is like lamenting the death of Hitler because you think he had a nice hairdo. Idiocy.

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We both know that bringing up the Third Reich here is over-the-top. I do get your point, but I don't think it's unreasonable to lament wasted potential.

brdmaverick said:

Except that he was found guilty. Once found guilty you'd think you'd then still be guilty until found innocent.

I agree they followed the law just seems like an odd one.

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Found innocent? That's not a legal standard. Guilty or Not Guilty (Not Guilty is not the same as innocent)

BelichickFan said:

The fact of the matter is after drafting all those Gators, we haven't touched an Urban Meyer product since. I know Belichick was at the Ohio State coaches thingy a month or so ago, but it is what it is. Even despite Greg Schiano being at Ohio State it just hasn't happened. Coincidence ? Causation ? I don't know.

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Nate Ebner? He may have been right on the border.

That said, we weren't really drafting OSU players before Urban Meyer was there, either. I'm thinking it's a coincidence. There have been plenty of successful Buckeyes taken in the draft, particularly lately.

farn said:

We both know that bringing up the Third Reich here is over-the-top. I do get your point, but I don't think it's unreasonable to lament wasted potential.

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godwin's law strikes again
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Charlotte Pats Fan said:

Found innocent? That's not a legal standard. Guilty or Not Guilty (Not Guilty is not the same as innocent)

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Sorry, was just playing off the users original statement of 'innocent until proven guilty'. That's why I stuck with the word innocent.

I agree, the two are not the same, but my overall point still rings true.

fnordcircle said:

It's BS, ok I can see that.

But what's the better option? To go forward with a trial? Seems like a complete waste.

Declare them guilty if they kill themselves? Great way to demonize innocent people who get arrested and commit suicide due to mental illness.

I don't see a better option.

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Not quite the same thing. This was an appeal of a conviction, not someone who offed himself before being lawfully convicted.

The judge did the right thing and ruled based on the law. This is so atypical now it comes as a surprise that the ruling did not involve personal feelings or invoke heretofore extraneous issues.

brdmaverick said:

Except that he was found guilty. Once found guilty you'd think you'd then still be guilty until found innocent.

I agree they followed the law just seems like an odd one.

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Not according to the law. That's what the judge followed.

Since she is still referred to as his fiancée, someone should tell her about this:

Posthumous marriage - Wikipedia

I can't say that I'd be surprised if his lawyer, Baez, may have discussed this possibility with him, or at least answered his questions on the subject.

supafly said:

I can't say that I'd be surprised if his lawyer, Baez, may have discussed this possibility with him, or at least answered his questions on the subject.

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Yup! Not this a normal practice for 'Attorney-Client Confidentiality' but anything is possible at this point.

supafly said:

Wait, what? Hernandez and Spikes were both Florida Gators.

Blaming Urban Meyer is ridiculous, and somehow attempting to blame the "Ohio State pipeline" is even stranger.

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Have we've ever had had a urban meyer pick that worked out?

I am still pi$$ed we took jermaine cunningham over carlos dunlap.

hate laws that are not logical. He was convicted of murder and he appealed. Logic dictates that the first ruling remains until the appeal is heard. He died before the appeal was heard, so the original conviction should remain. Guy is guilty of murder.

XLIX said:

It is not irrelevant to several ongoing entities, among whom is the New England Patriots football club.

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I was speaking to those who were acting like AH was getting away with something, or there was some loophole in the law that hordes of criminals were going to start jumping through.

As to the interests of the Patriots in this...

I couldn't possibly care less how much of RK's money this ends up costing. If the families of the victims and/or AH's daughter end up with some more money, I'll count that as a good thing.

sambam94 said:

hate laws that are not logical. He was convicted of murder and he appealed. Logic dictates that the first ruling remains until the appeal is heard. He died before the appeal was heard, so the original conviction should remain. Guy is guilty of murder.

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I would say your point is especially true considering that he killed himself.

Really though I have a hard time understanding what the point of this law is to begin with. Its not like if someone has their conviction vacated due to death that they will be let out of prison because of it.

Why waste some judges time on this when they have more important things they could be doing?

KontradictioN said:

Not according to the law. That's what the judge followed.

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I realize that. I was just giving a suggested reason as to why that law shouldn't exist.

In fact, I literally included the note: I agree they followed the law just seems like an odd one.

sambam94 said:

hate laws that are not logical. He was convicted of murder and he appealed. Logic dictates that the first ruling remains until the appeal is heard. He died before the appeal was heard, so the original conviction should remain. Guy is guilty of murder.

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What would happen if he was falsely charged with murder and died and didn't get a chance to appeal? You can't do these rulings circumstantially.