Illegal Touching?

On the Hoyer slipped-out-of-his-hand / incomplete pass, neither the ball or his arm was hit by a defender. The ball then hit an OL's arm first. Isn't that illegal touching?

Chevy said:

On the Hoyer slipped-out-of-his-hand / incomplete pass, neither the ball or his arm was hit by a defender. The ball then hit an OL's arm first. Isn't that illegal touching?

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Yes, but that's just a loss of downs I believe, so kind of a non-penalty penalty

I think the only time they actually call that any more is if the lineman actually catches the ball.

Chevy said:

On the Hoyer slipped-out-of-his-hand / incomplete pass, neither the ball or his arm was hit by a defender. The ball then hit an OL's arm first. Isn't that illegal touching?

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That is no longer a penalty, changed that a few years ago. In order to be a penalty OL has to actually catch the ball.

Once it was determined this was an incomplete pass, why was intentional grounding not called?

Biffins said:

Once it was determined this was an incomplete pass, why was intentional grounding not called?

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Probably because Hoyer's arm hit the defender and that is what cause the incomplete pass.

DaBruinz said:

Probably because Hoyer's arm hit the defender and that is what cause the incomplete pass.

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This. IG cannot be called when a defender makes contact.

Chevy said:

On the Hoyer slipped-out-of-his-hand / incomplete pass, neither the ball or his arm was hit by a defender. The ball then hit an OL's arm first. Isn't that illegal touching?

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No touching!

It was not a penalty because he was trying to 'tuck' the ball

DaBruinz said:

Probably because Hoyer's arm hit the defender and that is what cause the incomplete pass.

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It looked like he threw it before he got hit. It was almost like he went to throw, realized it was a bad idea, then either let it slip or just let it fail or I don't know. But the contact was about to happen, so I think the refs let it go. But he didn't appear to be contacted until after the ball was out.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

I really just came here to say I thought this topic was another Ben Roethlisberger thread but never mind, carry on...

Is this thread about Cardinal Law??? Spotlight..

DarrylS said:

Is this thread about Cardinal Law??? Spotlight..

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Same mistake, I thought it was about Tanguay.

TheBostonStraggler said:

It was not a penalty because he was trying to 'tuck' the ball

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I know your kidding but funny thing is this is the type of throw the tuck rule was trying to protect. You could argue that Hoyer was past the point of being able to throw down field and it slipped out as he attempted to pull his arm back from the throw and thus it should be a fumble.

When the Tuck rule was in place this throw was a no doubt absolute incomplete pass. Since Tuck Rule does not exist the Ref could have deemed in his judgement that he was trying to tuck and called it a fumble.

I think the right call was made but had he been a few ticks further in his motion when it came out things could have been a lot more fun.

DaBruinz said:

Probably because Hoyer's arm hit the defender and that is what cause the incomplete pass.

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But that's not true. Hoyer clearly releases the ball before being hit. I recorded the video from my monitor and uploaded it.

Can someone please explain why this is not Intentional Grounding. He dropped the ball at his feet in the face of pressure. I don't understand.

Biffins said:

But that's not true. Hoyer clearly releases the ball before being hit. I recorded the video from my monitor and uploaded it.

Can someone please explain why this is not Intentional Grounding. He dropped the ball at his feet in the face of pressure. I don't understand.

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What is so hard to understand?

Intentional grounding, means the quarterback is intentionally trying to throw the ball away in order to avoid a sack or something else.

There was clearly nothing intentional about that.

patsfan06 said:

What is so hard to understand?

Intentional grounding, means the quarterback is intentionally trying to throw the ball away in order to avoid a sack or something else.

There was clearly nothing intentional about that.

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So you are allowed to drop the ball to your own feet (or feet of OLinemen) if you see pressure in your face? How do you judge when someone "intentionally" throws the ball to the floor in the face of pressure and when someone "accidentally" throws the ball to the floor in the face of pressure and avoids a loss of yards/downs. Seems like can't be that hard to pretend to "accidentally" pass the ball in an area without a receiver every time there's pressure in your face. Sounds like a good acting skill to learn.

Because it hit Malcolm Brown