Tom House officially helping to fix Macs arm.

[Sicilian]

Hopefully this works out better than Harry did with the footwork king...

Can't work out much worse! Big difference here is that Mac has already shown SOME ability at the NFL level, where as Harry really hadn't yet. House has a lot more to work with.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I want to see improvement on his dreadful sideline passes from the opposite hashmark. Those were bad.

Needs more zip on intermediate and deep throws.

I’d like to see his release worked on as well. He’s got an odd shot put release.

Shot put? Bledsoe, Rivers and Day Wuerfull had that. I don't see Mac with one.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Shot put? Bledsoe, Rivers and Day Wuerfull had that. I don't see Mac with one.

Bledsoe never shot putted the ball. He's style was mostly a side arm style or flick of the wrist as he needed little effort to throw intermediate or deep passes. Rivers was the biggest offender. Ugliest release in football.

But Mac looks like he pushing the ball at times.

 

[borisman]

Mac was also late on that throw. Reading it quicker would have been the biggest help of all.

Those damn rookies can't do anything right

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bledsoe never shot putted the ball. He's style was mostly a side arm style or flick of the wrist as he needed little effort to throw intermediate or deep passes. Rivers was the biggest offender. Ugliest release in football.

But Mac looks like he pushing the ball at times.

Yea after looking at these throws over the years seems it reminded me how Drew's throwing mechanics were all over the map. Some over the top, some sidearm, some a push.

Mac needs work on his fundamentals and arm strength. I think everyone agrees on that.

 

[borg]

Shot put? Bledsoe, Rivers and Day Wuerfull had that. I don't see Mac with one.

I get the 'shot put' comparison
It was very apparent early in the season when the O line was dreadful and Mac was holding onto the ball up until contact, often throwing off the backfoot.
Mac clearly valued quick release, hence the shortened passing motion.
The downside of this technique is velocity.

I suspect House will work on a compromise with Mac

That being said, the kid needs a cleaner pocket to get the most out of his capellini arm

 

[patfanken]

I get the 'shot put' comparison
It was very apparent early in the season when the O line was dreadful and Mac was holding onto the ball up until contact, often throwing off the backfoot.
Mac clearly valued quick release, hence the shortened passing motion.
The downside of this technique is velocity.

I suspect House will work on a compromise with Mac

That being said, the kid needs a cleaner pocket to get the most out of his capellini arm

When Brady came into the league in 2000 your arm strength was what it was. If you came into the league with a mediocre arm then THAT's what you had for your entire career. Tom Brady in 2000 came into the league with a mediocre arm. But perhaps Brady's greatest asset was his never ending quest to improve and that was throughout his 23 year career. Improve his footwork, improve his focus, Improve his knowledge of defenses, and improve his arm. He had a guy he'd go to every off season, long before "QB coach" experts were in vogue. He also used Tom House long before House was thought of as a QB coach.

The point being Tom came into the league with a "mediocre arm" and left it throwing bullets, thus ending forever the notion that "arm strength you come into the league with will be arm strength you have during your career".

Let's be clear here. A five percent improvement in Macs arm WILL make him a better and more effective passer. He has a beautiful touch on his deep passes. However sometimes his high arcing throws allow safeties to get involved. Guys with big arms can throw deep with more velocity and shallower arcs and keep safeties out of the picture. A bit added velocity makes shorter throws into tight windows more likely. to be completed

Expectations - I don't expect Mac to suddenly show up in July and be this "strong armed" QB. This is something that take YEARS to evolve into. A lot will depend on how his body evolves over the next decade. Will be be stronger and if so, will he be be able to translate that extra strength into more velocity to his throws. So expectations should be tempered. I'll be satisfied if we see just SOME visible improvement.

Plus I'll add the refrain I've been saying for months here. Mac has the innate athletic ability to much more evasive and extend play than what we saw last season. His 4.8 40 and 7.06 3 cone is the same or slightly better as Wilson and Prescott, both considered QB's who can evade the rush and extend plays, In fact he has the same 40 time as Patrick Mahomes, though Mahomes has a slightly better 3 cone at 6.9 and a better arm..

This isn't to say Mac ever will be as evasive as these guys have been. But we SHOULD expect that over the next few years he will become MORE evasive that he was the year before, with the idea that in 4 or 5 years as he enters his prime getting out of the pocket when it starts to break down will become an instinctive reaction.

 

[captain stone]

There's nothing to fix, his arm isn't "broken". He's tweaking how he throws. It will help... not just on the deep throws but those darts to the EZ need a lot more juice on them.

His arm isn't "broken" but it still needs more fixing than just tweaking.

 

[RobertWeathers]

His arm isn't "broken" but it still needs more fixing than just tweaking.

I've seen a broken arm...it's an ugly thing to watch

 

[Wozzy]

Tom Brady's scouting report from before the draft...

--Skinny
--Lacks great physical stature and strength
--Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush
--Lacks a really strong arm
--Can’t drive the ball downfield
--Does not throw a really tight spiral
--System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib
--Gets knocked down easily

www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-bradys-pre-nfl-draft-scouting-report-will-never-cease-be-funny

Here's another one with Tom being read another scouts report:

 

[borg]

When Brady came into the league in 2000 your arm strength was what it was. If you came into the league with a mediocre arm then THAT's what you had for your entire career. Tom Brady in 2000 came into the league with a mediocre arem. But perhaps Brady's greatest asset was his never ending quest to improve and that was throughout his 23 year career. Improve he footwark, improve his focus, Improve his knowledge of defenses, and improve his arm. He had a guy he'd go to every off season, long before "QB coach" experts were in vogue. He also used Tom House long before House was thought of as a QB coach.

The point being Tom came into the league with a "mediocre are" and left it throwing bullets, thus ending forever the notion that "arm strength you come into the league with will be arm strength you have during your career".

Let's be clear here. A five percent improvement in Macs arm WILL make him a better and more effective passer. He has a beautiful touch on his deep passes. However sometimes his high arcing throws allow safeties to get involved. Guys with big arms can throw deep with more velocity and shallower arcs and keep safeties out of the picture. A bit added velocity makes shorter throws into tight windows more likely.

Expectations - I don't expect Mac to suddenly show up in July and be this "strong armed" QB. This is something that take YEARS to evolve into. A lot will depend on how his body evolves over the next decade. Will be be stronger and if so, will be be able to translate that extra strength into more velocity to his throws. So expectations should be tempered. I'll be satisfied if we see just some visible improvement.

Plus I'll add the refrain I've been saying for months here. Mac has the innate athletic ability to much more evasive and extend play than what we saw last season. His 4.8 40 and 7.06 3 cone is the same or slightly better as Wilson and Prescott, both considered QB's who can evade the rush and extend plays, In fact he has the same 40 time as Patrick Mahomes, though Mahomes has a slightly better 3 cone at 6.9.

This isn't to say Mac ever will be as evasive as these guys have been. But we SHOULD expect that over the next few years he will become MORE evasive that he was the year before, with the idea that in 4 or 5 years as he enters his prime getting out of the pocket when it starts to break down will become an instinctive reaction.

The blanket assumption is that Mac has a significant 'arm strength" upside ahead of him.

Maybe
Maybe not

What never gets added into the equation is how much strength work Mac has already been subjected to during his four years at the most prolific/pro style/pro coached program in the history of college football.
Let's not ignore he was a four-year college player which means he's a year further into his physical maturation than the typical high draftee/college junior entering the NFL.

Mac could be closer to his physical limits than we want to believe.....

Or maybe not

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Who Mac really needs is Dr. Oscar Goldman!!!

 

[WinstonSmith]

Who Mac really needs is Dr. Oscar Goldman!!!

With the current rate of inflation Mac would be the 6 Trillion Dollar Man...

 

[patfanken]

The blanket assumption is that Mac has a significant 'arm strength" upside ahead of him.

Maybe
Maybe not

What never gets added into the equation is how much strength work Mac has already been subjected to during his four years at the most prolific/pro style/pro coached program in the history of college football.
Let's not ignore he was a four-year college player which means he's a year further into his physical maturation than the typical high draftee/college junior entering the NFL.

Mac could be closer to his physical limits than we want to believe.....

Or maybe not
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That all COULD be true.....BUT Brady was also a 4 year player coming out of Michigan. And tell me, does that picture make you believe that Mac couldn't improve his strength.

I'm sure Mac worked very hard to improve his strength while at Alabama, but history shows us that players CAN get stronger and more powerful AFTER they get into the league. Why not Mac? Bottom line is that we cannot know how close Mac is to his ceiling of passing velocity, evasiveness, and durability. Only time will tell

 

[DarMan]

Hopefully this works out better than Harry did with the footwork king...

Harry needs a cardiologist not a podiatrist

 

[Captain Cliche]

I'm amazed a guy with Mac's frame actually lasted an entire NFL season taking the hits that he did.

Hopefully he's already eating better and hitting the weights and trying to lose those pounds. That will go a long way toward a second year jump which we all hope to see.

I think some people forget how often he got blasted back there at the beginning of the season. That's when he started wearing a knee brace.
I like how he shrugged it off as no big deal. Some of it was on him. He seemed to wait a tick too long before moving/deciding to run.
He seemed more elusive/taking off on a run better later in the season.

 

[50-yard-line]

I think some people forget how often he got blasted back there at the beginning of the season. That's when he started wearing a knee brace.
I like how he shrugged it off as no big deal. Some of it was on him. He seemed to wait a tick too long before moving/deciding to run.
He seemed more elusive/taking off on a run a better later in the season.

"Get blasted" is a relative term. Compared to the type of hits we used to see, even in Brady's early years, most of hte QB "hits" are a shove and a dive. Some are vicious, sure, but most aren't.

 

[Wozzy]

The blanket assumption is that Mac has a significant 'arm strength" upside ahead of him.

Maybe
Maybe not

What never gets added into the equation is how much strength work Mac has already been subjected to during his four years at the most prolific/pro style/pro coached program in the history of college football.
Let's not ignore he was a four-year college player which means he's a year further into his physical maturation than the typical high draftee/college junior entering the NFL.

Mac could be closer to his physical limits than we want to believe.....

Or maybe not
View attachment 41452

There's a world of difference between college and the pros. Brady, Solder and host of other rookies have entered the league underweight or lacking strength. By year two they were 10-15 pounds heavier in lean muscle mass. As much as we'd like to think 22 year olds have life figured out, they're generally a world away from it. Mac threw multiple 40+ yard balls this season, if he is close to his physical limits, they aren't that far from the best arms in the league. His "weak arm" is mostly the product of hyperbole by media pundits and fans who misjudged him pre-draft and now are dancing to make excuses why.

 

[*ChungFu*]

BB is copying every post about Mac's Weak Arm. He'll be bringing them to the negotiation table in a few years when the topic here will change to BB being the heartless Ebenezer Scrooge.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Brady gained a bunch of weight/mass from year 1 to 2. I always wondered if there was any "chemical enhancement".