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Yeah but he had the Happiest feet I've ever seen in a Patriots uniform.Being a ball-less wonder didn't help him much, either
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Yeah but he had the Happiest feet I've ever seen in a Patriots uniform.Being a ball-less wonder didn't help him much, either
If you looked at his numbers and compared them to today's you would think he absolutely sucked.How was Grogan? Wasn't alive for those days. Sounds like he wasn't great but, he was tough and the players respected him.
Tough ... That's Grogan. Didn't he spit in LC Greenwood's face after a hit? And his 12 rushing TD's stood at the top of the list until Cam broke it with 14 in 2011.
No apology necessary.I was too new to the game to really "get" the true nuances with Eason and Grogan...my apologies for making the earlier assertions. The more knowledgeable guys on the board who really lived through that era definitely have some great, useful anecdotes.
I can't believe we drafted Eason ahead of Marino...
No apology necessary.
The fact that some of us can comment in detain how schizophrenic, disorganized, desperate and disastrous the Pats' QB situation was from 1981 to 1992 is not a good thing.
Pretty incredible to think about it. In Drew, Scott Secules, Zo, TB and Matty C the Pats have had ONLY 5 players start at the Qb position in the last 22 years. Incredible.
No apology necessary.
The fact that some of us can comment in detain how schizophrenic, disorganized, desperate and disastrous the Pats' QB situation was from 1981 to 1992 is not a good thing.
Pretty incredible to think about it. In Drew, Scott Secules, Zo, TB and Matty C the Pats have had ONLY 5 players start at the Qb position in the last 22 years. Incredible.
You left out Hugh Millen, who teammates called Huge Millions after he got the big contract from Sam Jankovich. I think Millen also dated the cheer leader coach Lisa Coles.
I am told by friends in Seattle that Millen does a talk show gig out there (he went to University of Washington). His schtick is to brutalize Russell Wilson.
Guy's gotta make a living somehow ....
I lived through THIS.......1970 season
1-9-0 w/l
98 completions 219 attempts
44.7 passer rating
Joe freakin' Kapp
Eason was a better passer. They would have run through a wall for Grogan, though.How was Grogan? Wasn't alive for those days. Sounds like he wasn't great but, he was tough and the players respected him.
Steve Grogan (16 seasons):
- 1886 completions /3593 attempts (52.3%) for 26,686 yards
- 182 TDs, 208 Ints
- passer rating 69.6
Joe (Hall of Fame) Namath (13 seasons)
I'm not saying Steve Grogan was a better player than Joe Namath but the numbers show the extent to which Namath was and is overrated, especially when you consider the widely held reputations of the two players. How many Sports Media Talking Heads would know that Grogan's numbers are even comparable to Namath's?
- 1886 completions/3762 attempts (50.1 %) for 27,663 yards
- 173 TDs, 220 Ints
- passer rating 65.5
Grogan was one of the toughest competitors I have ever seen. He was absolutely fearless. Early in his career, his athleticism made him the best running QB in the league. From 76-79. he averaged over 400 yards rushing per season. In 1976, he scored 12 TDs in a 14 game season, which I believe was a record for QBs at the time.
As a passer, he struggled with consistency and accuracy. At times, the ball would sail when it came out of his hand with the nose up. He was streaky and when he got the hot hand was nearly could be nearly unstoppable. A bit too often, he would force a throw into coverage with predictable results.
Late in his career, with Raymond Berry as coach, Grogan called his own plays and was pretty good at it. He may have been the last QB to do so.
Grogan's fiery demeanor and toughness made him a much respected player with teammates and foes. It was a stark contrast to the laid back Eason to be sure. But before Eason got there, the fans rode Grogan very hard.
Eason did have a lot of abilty. His footwork and release were quite good. I don't know about his work ethic and his toughness has been questioned (although almost anyone would suffer by comparison to Grogan). I've wondered what would have happened had Eason been coached by Bill Walsh. Tony was made to run the West Coast offense.
I lived through THIS.......1970 season
1-9-0 w/l
98 completions 219 attempts
44.7 passer rating
Joe freakin' Kapp
The way I remember the "spit in the face" incident, it was Mean Joe Green. It was something like 4th and 2 and Grogan ran the naked bootleg to pick up the first down. Green tackled Grogan and then reached down to help him up. As Grogan got up, he spat in Green's face.
Yeah, I just saw that--is one able to delete a thread? I saw editing but not delete.
Feltcher ~ to such extent as you can believe'm ~ tells a far far different Story:
It won't let me quote it, but evidently it was Dwight White, not one'f the other Steelers, and it was him trying to spit at Grogan, not the other way around...and evidently failing, if Feltcher is quoting John Hannah correctly!! And as Hannah is said to've said: Grogan just stared'm down.
Now that's how I remember Grogan: Tough as Nails.