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  1. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I know we're still a couple of weeks off, but spygate posts bore me. We could use a RG/RT upgrade but that cannot be a high priority as of now. We'll see on Draft Day.

    We need 3-5 WR's to compete for 3 positions
    We need 3-5 CB's to compete for 3 spots
    We need 3-7 LB's to compete for 3-5 spots

    WR - Welker, Jackson, Jones

    CB - Hobbs, Spann, Richardson, Mixon

    LB - Vrabel, Colvin, Thomas, Woods, Alexander, Lua, Slaughter
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    Maybe we take a shot at Muhsin Muhammad? Where would we put him?

    Maybe Moss on one side, Welker in the slot, Muhsin on the other side, with Gaffney or Jackson playing #4.
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    That WR depth would look grrrrreeeeaaatttt!!!!:rocker::singing::rocker:

    But lets just hope for now
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    As long as Muhsin takes a significant paycut (from what he was making before, no way he gets that kind of money now). He really didn't live up to the expectations of what he was making, but of course he had Grossman throwing to him....cant really judge based on that. With our WR core, he'd probably would fit in very well. He has a great work ethic.
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    With teams like SD & Jax having so much space under the cap, and wr being big needs on both of those teams, I don't see the better wr coming to NE for paycuts.

    If we're letting Stallworth & Washington go, I don't know why any of the bigger names out there are going to sign for less here, unless it's a Chad Johnson type situation in which he's disgruntled.
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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Chad Johnson is still waiting for his first big FA payday, whether he actually is one or not, so this is not the time for him, though he seems to have a great rapport w/BB, for a guy not on our team.

    I think Washington's a maybe on the restructure front, and Stallworth's a no. I also think we have Moss back this year - so it's Moss/Welker/Gaffney/Jackson (or Jackson/Gaffney,) plus a value pickup or draftee. Or hell, maybe old Bam Childress finally nudges up off the practice squad. I just don't think we look to bring in a big splashy guy at receiver... it's a matter of addition by subtraction, excluding the Moss re-sign.

    At LB we now have TJ slaughter, and have made an offer to Zach Thomas, who's actually got game. I think Bru stays, and Seau tries to, 40 or not (Junior want ring. rrrrn.)

    The question must be asked: what does it cost to pick up Jason Taylor, given Zach's migration North, if we land Zach? But in terms of "certainty?" Slaughter's not to be counted on for anything but camp competition. Thomas isn't inked, and Taylor's just a pipe dream at the moment.

    Lance Briggs is usually considered -- at least here -- to be the "wrong" kind of guy for the 3-4, but he can play. At 240 he's not as tiny as a ZThomas , and he can hit. Trouble is he is looking for money and lots of it. If we try to work him in, we are looking at the grand total of our offseason expenditures for 08.

    Karlos Dansby (250) gets you that extra 10 pounds, if you like that, and might be a little tired of the dessert by now (end of his rookie deal.) But again, he'll be looking for that first big payday... and I don't think that's us. We've made the big high-dollar splash with AD last year... I don't know that we do that 2 years in a row at LB, with Randy left to sign and with trouble in what wasn't paradise to start with, at CB.

    Randall Godfrey? Pretty sure he's slowly dying... he's the kind of 35 yo guy we don't need. Man, if you want a reason to like how Seau and Bru are aging, this is your guy.

    People like Mario Haggan's size. He's 28 and in three year's he's racked up a total of 60 tackles. Oh, and one sack. No int., no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries, nada. Just 263 pounds of standout-free JAG.

    Dhani Jones, anybody? He's pretty smart, pretty tough, etc. He's also pretty old and pretty old... but at least he can still contribute, if the numbers can be trusted. Not excel, but contribute... Eh.

    Calvin Pace: Bring this guy to me. 272. Fast. third year guy. UFA. 80 solo tackles in 07, 6.5 sacks, an interception, a forced fumble, and 6 passes defensed. Trend line, nothing but up. What'll he cost? He was a first-rounder in 2003. He won't come cheap. But if you want a guy you can build on, he has all the earmarks. On the other hand... people can tell me all about how he can't transition here, etc. etc. I'm not so sure what's not to transition, but willing to hear it. This would be a marquee pickup, a big splash move... but if they could swing it, would love to see him with a flying elvis on the side of his head. Again: first big deal, and wants big money (one would assume.) But for this guy, I'd love to see us try to swing it.

    Just taking my quick stab at the LB options.

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    It is not a matter of "if". We did not pick up the options on Washington and Stallworth. Every other team in the league has the same rights to him as the patriots. And it is likely that every free agent wide receiver would like to have Brady throwing to him.

    There's lots to do yet, but I expect Moss and Gaffney back. Why would Stallworth come back? There must be teams that ar looking for a starting potential probowl wide receiver. Miami seems a better fit. Washington is a special case. He's a perfect patriot. We might "overpay" for washington, just not as much as he was scheduled to get.

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    I know every wr would like to have Brady or Peyton throwing to him all the time, but they all aren't interested in taking paycuts either.

    Moss was in a special situation. One in which part of the league is smacking itself on the forehead for not taking the chance.

    There are teams looking for a potential pro bowl wr, Jax & SD as mentioned, who both have plenty of money to spend.

    I hope Gaffney gives the Pats a hometown discount, but you've gotta wonder if he doesn't wanna see a bigger payday for all the hard work he did between 06 & 07.
    He may not have the talent to be a legit #2 on this team, but former Pats have a way of getting paid elsewhere.
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    And promptly disappearing off the map... with the exception of Ty Law for one or two years.
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    That was a good analysis...
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    No, Muhsin got cut yesterday. But, after hearing people's arguments for Booker, I guess it would make sense.

    The b!tch of all these FA WR's is we really have no idea who is better or worse until they have a solid QB throwing to them. I think Muhsin would be good because he played great with Jake Delhomme. Yeah, he was lackluster with the Bears, but jeez, Rex Grossman would make Jerry Rice look inconsistent.
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    San Diego does not have a "big" need at wide receiver.
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    Yikes, except Pace is 6th year not 3rd. Alzheimers getting the better of me.
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