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    Interesting to see what the various mock drafts are predicting the Pats do - DeAngelo Williams looks like the popular choice but there are some other surprising picks as well.

    Most of these Mock Drafts are fairly recent - feel free to add any other mocks I may have missed but it looks like most are expecting us to take DeAngelo Williams


    DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/mock2006.html
    http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm
    http://www.draftace.com/draft2006/mockdraftroundone.htm
    http://www.nflgurus.com/mock.html
    http://www.draftboardinsider.com/mock/2006.html
    http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2006/mockdraft.shtml
    http://www.draftstudio.com/mock.htm
    http://www.thefootballexpert.com/abromowitzmockdraft.html
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

    Lendale White, RB, USC

    http://www.condraft.com/mock.php?r=1
    http://huddlegeeks.com/NFL_Draft/2006/mock2006.htm
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/03/14/mock.draft3.part3/index.html

    Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
    http://www.nflreport.com/mock1.htm
    http://www.football.com/draft/2006/mccollom_mock_draft.shtml

    Laurence Maroney, RB, Minn.
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/index.cfm?page=3

    Ashton Youboty CB, Ohio State
    http://www.draftgurus.com/page1.html

    Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
    http://www.draftdaddy.com/MD/MDstat.cfm

    Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio St.
    http://www.insidetheeagles.com/2006mockdraft.htm

    Manny Lawson, LB, NC State
    http://www.gbnreport.com/2006projection.html

    Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5449624
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    This RB thing is just ridiculous.

    Right now I see a small trade up for Chad Jackson as the #1 option if he gets within range. Otherwise Bobby Carpenter.
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    Why is Chad Greenways stock dropping? Or is it that Carpenter is getting better as a player? What is the difference between the two?
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    I agree - not that I'd be shocked if they took an RB in the first round, but I think the knee jerk reaction of those who make up these mocks is that RB is the most obvious need.

    It is, or will be a need, but that doesn't translate into what BB & SP will deem the best pick with the best value at #21 (and again, I'm predicting a deal with the Falcons to move up to #15)
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    I was wondering the same thing. I remember Greenway having a very big senior bowl and practices leading up to it. I asked the same question on another thread and someone said he had a bad combine and pro day.

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    I like Greenway too. But my gut feeling is the Patriots like Carpenter. From what I've seen/read, Carpenter is the more physical, the more pure football player. He'll whack a TE at the line, has excellent speed and is only 10 pounds or so lighter than McGinest was when he was drafted. His Dad was an NFL player and you know how Belichick likes that kind of thing. Greenway is the better athlete, more natural and experienced in pass coverage and could have the higher upside. Capenter just reminds me of Bruschi in that you know he's just a guy who was born to play football.

    After thinking about it for a while, my gut feeling is Belichick likes Capenter a little more than Greenway despite Carpenter having maybe a little less upside athletically. We'll get an indepth report on both, though, with Greenway playing for Belichick pal Kirk Ferentz and Carpenter being close to, and working out with, Mike Vrabel.
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    Great analysis!
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    Not sure I'd say that but I have been thinking about it a lot because I'm convinced we'll take Greenway, Carpenter or Lawson unless we can get Chad Jackson.

    I look at Carpenter as the most Patriot type linebacker, kind of a cross between McGinnest and Brushi.

    With Greenway you get the athleticism, the pass coverage and upside.

    And Lawson, I see another Roosevelt Colvin. We'd lose some physicality on that side from McGinest but having Colvin and Lawson on the edges is very intriguing indeed.

    Unless we simply don't like these guys, or someone falls who shouldn't (see : Wilfork, Vince), the pick has to be out of these three and Jackson.

    I see some mention of DeMeco Ryans and he has the character for the Patriots but he's a little small and doesn't have size potential (he weighs 240 like Lawson but Ryans is 6'1", Lawson is 6'5"). That's the thing about Lawson, he's super quick and strong but also has size potential up to McGinest even though he's 30 pounds lighter right now.
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    Bobby Carpenter is our #21 pick. Bank on it! :rocker:
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    The only thing that bothers me about Greenway is his leg injury that he had surgery on.
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    He's also just not very tough tackling or taking on blockers. The good thing about that is it's not a physical limitation so it could probably be improved upon.
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    That would be a good guess,but Bobby Grier doesn't work here anymore. cahd "Tony Simmons" Jackson can sure run fast. There are a few other requirements though.
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    I guess we'll see - I think Jackson will not prove to be the next Tony Simmons. More like the next Javon Walker IMO.
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    I'd rather have a sure thing tackler that can learn a system rather than teach a guy to get off of blocks and tackle better.
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    Forget Chad Jackson, or Santonio Holmes or Sinorice Moss for that matter. With Ben Watson ready to emerge, our #2 WR is going to be the 3rd option in the passing game. A team that suddenly has several holes is not going to spend a 1st round pick on a 3rd oprion receiver, especially in a draft that is tremendously deep at linebacker, defensive line ane defensive back.
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    We'll see. Watson had trouble reading coverages the same as Brady, I know it was just his second year and first on the field but still. Also Brady hasn't shown the same love Bledsoe had for going to the TE. You may be right but I'm not buying it just yet.
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    You do remember that there were times last year where our lead backs were Heath Evans and Mike Cloud with Amos Zeroue as the backup?

    Not that I think it is a sure thing they draft RB in the first (I personally am hoping for Maurice Drew in the second), but it is a glaring weakness!
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    And what is wrong with those three ? :)

    The problem is we usually have, what, 3 RB ? Dillon, Faulk and Pass. The first two are staying as will either Pass or Evans. What I would like is to draft a guy and go with an extra RB. I would go with just 5 CB (despite what happened the last two years) as Hawkins can legitimitely be our #6 CB in an emergency.

    Drew would be a rock solid shot, someone with potential at RB who can also help on kick returns. But I'm not excited about a RB in round 1 unless they love Maroney.
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    I wonder if the Pats also have their eyes on Kamerion Wembley if he's available at #21. Cromartie would be an interesting pick if they could get him in the 2nd round, if they're willing to take the injury risk based on his upside; I think they brought him in for a look-see. I don't see the Pats going RB or WR until the 3rd round. If they used some of their extra picks to move up a bit, a draft haul of Wembley/Cromartie/Haas or Stovall or Jennings/Addai or Drew, would be great. RBs are going to get pushed waaaaaay down; Colts are lucky that's the case.
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    I've been ignoring him because the talk now is he'll go from #12 to #20, with a strong chance of going @ #12 to Cleveland. That's not to say it'll actually happen but that's why I haven't paid as much attention to him.
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    Right now I'm going with Carpenter. Many like Manny Lawson but he could be a "boom or bust" pick. Carpenter is more of a sure thing and can play both OLB/ILB.

    We are a year away from taking a RB in the first round. Corey still has a good year left. Next years class wil be just as good in RB.

    There is plenty of depth in the 2nd and 3rd rounds for a #2 or #3 WR. Same with RB's, we could go until round 4 and still pick a guy as good as the 2nd rounder.

    So, with 4 weeks to go I'm still high on Carpenter. But either Greenway or Lawson won't be bad either.
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    We're pretty much on the same page, I'm looking at WR in round 3 and TE in round 2. Watson and Graham can't stay healthy together and Graham is a UFA in 12 months. Unless we think he'll be an easy sign, I'm looking at a Klopenstein in round 2.

    I'm hoping for :

    1) LB, right now Carpenter.
    2) Klopsnstein
    3a) One of the WR, Stovall, Avant, Hass, etc.
    3b, 4a, 4b) I'd be looking at another WR, another LB and a CB unless we sign Warfield.

    At 3a I would take Drew if he were there and hit the WR hard with 3b, 4a, 4b.
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    I'm hoping 1. Carpenter 2. Maybe Klopenstein/Maybe WR, I'm thinking more wide reciever right now being the more immediate need 3a. RB/WR if not yet addressed 3b. CB 4a/4b. Probably more help at WR if we took Klopenstein/LB
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    I'm with you guys on Carpenter, i'm thinking RB on Day ! as well.
    But is Carpenter going to be there at 21? I'm not 100% sure.
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    look at 'intangibles'

    i can't see any difference in the probablity of success for carpenter vs. greenway. 2 possible variables: injury status -- carpenter's leg vs greenway's ankle, hamstring. of course they had to have known about claridge's knee, right?
    variable #2 -- BB/SP choices almost always have 'leader', 'smart', 'a little mean', 'coachable' in their reports.
    will be really surprised if patriots draft a LB 1st round, with 2 developmental guys on the roster. trades & FA didn't work out well, so maybe they'll traft the draft route this year. if they do another LB, IMO TBC and klecko are outa here and the projects are over.
    BB/SP have tried the 4-5th round RB thing, with little success (antoine walker, cedric cobbs). they may pick one there, but IMO they's try to get some pedigree if the draft one at all. true, we may see another year of corey next year, and a 4-5th round understudy. that's what we saw with antowain. he looked like he was movving in slow motion, and there was still a SB ring.
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    Carpenter should be there @ 21. Nothing is certain in the draft but 21 for Carpenter is actually considered a slight overdraft vs. a steal.
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    I could live with that.
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    Oh, and just that I would throw out there that Bobby Carpenter has experience dropping down into a 3 point stance....more versatility.
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    Carpenter has a lot going for him, but moving backwards in pass coverage isn't one of them. How easily can that be learned, how important is that to Belichick/Pees are the questions.
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    Denver has Atlanta's #15, which was acquired in the John Abraham deal. What's the probability of Denver doing a deal for #15 on good terms with BB? How about slim and none?

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