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    Here is a summary of the Patriots seasons from 1960 to the present. There were some pretty awful seasons and maybe it will give some prospective to this years season.

    New England Patriots (1960-Present)
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    Prerequisite reading should be "Tales from the Patriots Sidelines", by Felger.. with that being said, cannot believe that I am pimping Felger..
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    who did that website and do they realize that 1970 was a 14 game season, so there is no way they could have gone 2-14
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    I've been watching them for over 40 years......I can say that the 2009 pats are one of the least physical pats teams in history

    I found some of the lousier teams who kicked and clawed and hit their way through futility more entertaining than this year's team
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    This one still hurts. I'm convinced that had it not been for the rought call, that would have been our first SB win that year.

    1976: With the draft picks acquired from the 49ers for Jim Plunkett the Patriots drafted CB Mike Haynes, and Safety Tim Fox. The two became instant starters and contributors. After a losing the season opener the Pats won their next 3 games against the most dominant teams in the AFC during the decade. First victim was the Miami Dolphins who the Pats defeated in the season opener of Schafer Stadium. The following week saw QB Steve Grogan lead a rally from an 11-point deficit to stun the Steelers in Pittsburgh. One week later it was back to Schaffer Stadium where the Pats humiliated the Oakland Raiders 48-17. After a disappointing loss in Detroit to the Lions the Pats would embarrass the New York Jets 41-7 in front of a Monday Night National Audience. The Pats were in deed for real and would go on to earn a tie for the AFC East title with an 11-3 record, as Mike Haynes captured Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. However the Baltimore Colts would earn the tiebreaker as the Pats were forced to settle for the Wild Card berth. In their first playoff game in 13 years the Patriots traveled to Oakland for a showdown with the Raiders. Despite beating them in Week 4 the Pats were heavy underdogs. Just like the first match up, the Pats controlled the game early, and had a 21-10 lead after 3 quarters. The Raiders would cut the lead to 4 by scoring early in the 4th. The last 8 minutes of the game was filled with several controversial plays. Facing a 3rd-and-inches situation just inside the Oakland 30-yard line, Brock jumped offside, forcing the Patriots out of their short-yardage offense. On the next play Grogan attempted to hit Ron Francis over the middle for a drive-sustaining first down, but Raider LB Phil Villipiano all but tackled Francis before the ball arrived, but no penalty was called. After PK John Smith missed a 50-yard FG, Raiders QB Ken Stabler maneuvered his team downfield but faced a desperate 3rd-and-18 situation at the New England 27-yard line. Stabler's passed to former Carl Garrett sailed incomplete, but referee Ben Dreith threw a late flag on Ray Hamilton for roughing the passer. The penalty gave the Raiders a 1sst down on the Pats 12. Aided by 2 more penalties on the Patriots for unsportsmanlike conduct, the Raiders scored the game-winning TD on a 1-yard run by Stabler with 10 seconds remaining.
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    My dad still talks about this game to me...he said brock's false start he just moved a finger or something and it was absolutely ridiculous and Francis got spun all the way around as the ball was in the air and no call.......He says that's why he doesn't feel bad about the Tuck rule because it was paybacks for this game listed above....
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    I just skimmed through this and found a number of inaccuracies.

    The sixteen game scheduled started in 1978 - any season before that had only fourteen games so they couldn't go 3-13 in 1972 and 1975.

    The summary for 1998 says that the Patriots missed the playoffs, which is incorrect. The Patriots 9-7 record was good enough for 6th seed in the AFC. Interestingly, they were the fourth AFC East team to make the playoffs that season. Led by QB Scott Zolak, the Patriots lost their only playoff game that season - 25-10 in Jacksonville.

    Haven't read the all of the other years closely ...
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    From the 1976 summary, Ron Francis. Christ, Russ is an all timer! Also, it's Villapiano, not Villipiano. Someone should say "not to shoot the messenger" to the original poster of this thread, so, not to shoot the messenger.
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    I did not have time to read all of it before I posted the site. But it's still an interesting summary in spite of the inaccuracies that were mentioned.
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    There might have been SOME teams more physical..or more entertaining..but to just clobber this team for an 8-5 record is a bit much..you think?? Even the year they won 2 games was entertaining...or the 7-7 team of the mid 70s...Is that all though..wanting to be entertained??
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    Thanks for that. The game below is the game that made me a fan.


    1978: After a 1-2 start the Pats returned to the scene of the incident for a Sunday Night game against the Raiders. The game was played during a driving rainstorm the Pats fell behind 14-0 in the 1st Quarter. However the Pats would rally and would win the game when Sam Cunningham dove over the top of the Raiders goal line defense in the final minute

    I was 9 years old, and turned on the TV expecting to watch something else. Instead ABC was showing a special Sunday Night game. It may have been the first. I am not sure. Anyway, I watched the game and fell in love with Steve Grogan. He was tough, he ran alot, and led the Pats to a great 4th qtr comeback win.

    I have lived in New York all my life, so I always thank God I turned on the TV that night. If I didn't, there is a good chance I would be a Jet or Giant fan.
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    Unfortunately, no one had the guts to write about the Patriot's past...and so so many could have done it..but did not. I can think of many that COULD HAVE done this..but Felger was an opportunist (no surprise) and did it..even though it was sort of a cookie cutter book of sorts..(Just look at the other books this company has out..ALL similar vein of looking at a team..) Never the less, I do give him credit for writing something that should have been doing
    something that was long overdue...It does give Patriot fans a perspective..something lacked by so many of the newer fans..and by newer, I mean those who started following the Patriots from the Parcells era on. I bet that 70-80% of fans are included in that, but that is just my guesstimate.
    I agree REQUIRED reading....Donaldson wrote a similar book after..but his does not measure up. This was more in the "good days" of Felger..STILL incredibly opportunistic, but more of a balanced look at things... Was going to see him at a signing, but he was sick..It was raining and I guess he thought the rain would kill him.
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    man, I WAS THERE. we completely out played them and got hosed by the ref's. it wasn't just the roughing the passer call either. all game long there were questionable calls and non-calls. russ francis was getting held all game long by villapiano. it was a joke. so, when we got the tuck call, i was elated and felt like it was a long time in coming. it still stands as my favorite call ever, hence my screen name. what's that old saying about payback ? :singing:
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    For a complete history of the Patriots, check out the Total Patriots Encyclopedia that was just published by Triumph Books
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    Yeah Felger picked up all the old news clips and put out a book. Nobody else did. I was really hoping a Ron Hobson or anyone might really do the job and offer more than somebody with a library database could, but no one did.

    Of course Will McDonough's would have been the ultimate, as he followed the team from the hilarious beginnings through some pretty damned good football pre Belichick. (most Holovak and Hannah teams were just fine).

    McDonough hated Sullivan's guts though, so you have to wonder how those early teams would be treated. I suspect a little Irish jealousy myself. After all, humble as they may have been, Billy had a football team and Will did not.:D
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    If Will McDonough had ever written a book about the Patriots, would it have included a heartwarming forward by Raymond Clayborn?
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    All inaccuracies aside... and all misspellings aside... and all starting every other sentence with "however" aside... it was a trip down memory lane too. Brought back some good memories, some wretched memories, and some perspective, as the OP says. Thanks!
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    I stood in line at the Oakland Coliseum ticket window for two hours trying to get tickets for that "Ben Dreith game". They ran out when I was about a Tom Brady QB sneak away from the window. I kicked the dirt, went back to the huddle, I mean the car, and drove home. In retrospect, I was lucky to not have paid good money for that gyp job. Payback was sweet in the Snowbowl game. Oakland may never rise again, or at least as long as Al Davis is in control. Watching that ripoff game on TV, I got so mad and loud at the end that I think my wife locked me out of the house. So, I finished off the jug of dago red in the back yard. Thanks to the successes in the 00s decade, I can laugh at that game, and a lot of other bad stuff today. :D
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    According to the latest version, Mrs. McDonough said they made up and became the best of friends. In the earlier version, she also said she had the utmost respect for Clayborn, who felt bad about his original grouchy behavior, but the friends quote is new to me.

    You can look it up yourself, her name is Denise. In the new version, from Sports Illustrated, Clayborn was shoving people all over the locker room, including an old man. In the original, he was pointing a finger and accidentally poked an eye. In the new version, Will punches Clayborn into Billy Sullivan who ends up in a clothes hamper. Swear to gawd.

    But what does it matter, it's the story that counts and Irish stories always get better with age. Clayborn was a damn tough football player, but he weighed 186 pounds, so it's not exactly like McDonough sucker punched Willie McGinest.
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    Final Resolution: "Avenged"
    Date: January 19, 2002.
    It only took a little longer than a quarter century, but it was worth the wait.


    [Note: I'm not arguing that the Tuck call was a bad call, just observing that it was a close call that most outside of Patriots Nation saw the other way.]
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    Yea the rumor is that once Clayborn "understood" who McDonough ran with, he extended the olive branch first.

    Hint: His best friend was President of the Mass Senate and the other brother was boss of the Irish Mob...who McD vouched for when applying for parole jobs for and visited in Levenworth ona few occasions.

    Gotta feeling if Willie Mac was with the Pats back then, he'd do the same thing. ;)

    Southie kids stick together...
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    I was watching that game too, and my conclusion was that bad calls or not, giving up that big lead was not the mark of a championship team.

    They never should have been in the position where a bad call could decide the game. They ran out of gas in the fourth quarter, and that's what killed them.

    Eerily similar to some of this years games isn't it ?
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    I started following the Patriots right at the beginning. The funny

    thing is that I was a heck of a lot less stressed out watching those

    lousy teams. A win back in those days was cause for celebration.

    Now, I am spoiled like the rest of you. Anything less than perfection

    is not acceptable.
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    That whole series of downs before the "Roughing the passer" call was made had a bunch of bad calls. On the play before the one you mentioned, Sam Cunningham ran for the first down marker. He got past it and ran out of bounds. However the marker on the ground was placed a yard short, giving the Patriots a 3rd and 1, instead of the first down they would have had if the marker was properly placed. Whenever somone brings up the tuck rule, I bring up this game, but no ne remembers it other than us Patriot fans with long memories. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
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    Ha ha, never heard that one. No doubt Will and Jimmy (don't call me Whitey) were on a first name basis, but I really doubt it got to that extent.

    I think Clayborn was cranky, accidentally poked Mcdonough in the eye and took a shot and the stories blossomed from there.
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    Yea I dont think Will M. reached out to Whitey either but "The Brothers Bulger" goes into the relationship b/t/w McDonough and Whitey a little bit.

    Great read!
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    Good book. I must have been insulated from the situation living

    on the North Shore in Danvers. I attended Belmont High School

    with the hero in the book, Jack O'Donovan.
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    my aunt and uncle are huge raider fans and back then they had season tickets. so, when we moved out there and the pats come out for the playoffs my uncle graciously took my brother and i. we took the bart up to oakland and just had a blast until the final minutes. those old time raider fans at the coliseum were some of the best football fans anywhere. friendly and knowledgable. i have no idea what the hell happened to them. maybe the move to LA went to their head, but it's a whole different crowd now.
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    I went to the Celtics game this past Monday at the Oracle Arena with my two (adult) sons. I have one of those bright green Celtics Starter jackets, which I never wear (bit loud) and a nice black and green Celtics cap. I almost wore the jacket, but I thought of those Oakland Raider fans, so I didn't, and just went with the cap. Warrior fans were fine, should have worn the jacket. Where did those lunatic Raiders fans come from?
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