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  1. newton_tom_cat

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    i really think they're whining and not taking responsibility FOR THEIR ACTIONS is a big factor in them having such a disappointing season. i mean they called the timeout, no one else, how is that the officials fault? their guy did hold watson right in the middle of the middle field in front officials. what are these clowns talking about? officials gave them a complete freebie on offensive pass interference on the hail mary and THEY STILL LOST. and the fg in cleveland a few weeks ago was good too. how was that stiffing the ravens? etc etc etc etc these guys are losers in every sense of the word.

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-4-47/Ravens--The-fix-was-in-for-Patriots.html
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    It's why Billick will most likely lose his job, or they'll move a lot of the players.
    Their situation is a lot like the Bengals. The coach doesn't control the team in either case.
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    I expect a lot of fines to be levied against the Ravens this week. I've never heard a team go off on the officiating that badly. Some players might hint at it but the Nevermores were straight up calling the refs out.

    I love the fact that they accuse the NFL of playing favorites with the Pats. Obviously they didn't see the Indy game. :rolleyes:
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    I just watched ESPN and the WHINING ravens players....WOW.....I have NEVER seen a bunch of grown men (boys....lol) whine so much!
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    The fact remains they played their hearts out and let this one get away all by themselves. They may have a good defense, but zero discipline.
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    Well said.

    Pats fans may whine about officiating (who, us? :p ) but I've never heard Pats players behave the way the Ravens are behaving. Not even close.
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    Players can complain, as far as I know, only coahces and other team personnel can be fined for comments about the officiating. Now, throwing the flag into the stands is going to bring down a fine, and I wouldn't be surprised if the team fines a few players for going off on their coach.
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    PENALTY on BLT-S.Rolle, Face Mask (15 Yards)
    PENALTY on BLT, Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-T.Suggs, Defensive Offside, 4 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-Q.Sypniewski, False Start, 5 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-D.Martin, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards


    Didn't see this one (blocking out of bounds?) so can't comment.

    PENALTY on BLT-C.Ivy, Defensive Holding, 5 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-C.McAlister, Defensive Pass Interference, 3 yards


    These were pretty clear and they stood out as the Pats were on a short field nearing the endzone.

    PENALTY on BLT-D.Wilcox, False Start, 5 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-S.Rolle, Illegal Contact, 5 yards


    Brady had already scrambled for a 1st down so this wasn't a big call in the grand scheme of things.

    PENALTY on BLT-J.Winborne, Defensive Holding, 5 yards

    Both Watson and Gaffney were held on this play in plain sight of the officials. No way anyone should be complaining on this one.

    PENALTY on BLT-B.Scott, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-B.Scott, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards
    PENALTY on BLT-E.Reed, Defensive Offside, 5 yards


    Selfish, selfish, selfish. The Ravens were a big return from getting back into the game. I'm sure Scott feels like a man now and I guess that will have to get them through the season.

    Gaffney's TD Catch

    If that play was reversed on review, I would have turned on the whole idea of replay. The call on the field was correct (look at any sideline catch...the player always moves the ball from hands into their body). If they ruled that there was overwhelming evidence that Gaffney didn't have control of the ball, you would have to suspect that the ref was trying to control the outcome of the game. Besides, even if the ball was incomplete, the Pats had 3 downs and only 8 yards to go.

    So where is the bias here? The Ravens got called for 13 penalties, only 5 of which required any judgement from the officials. The Pats got called for 6 penalties (4 accepted) and 5 of those required judgement from the officials. The Ravens gameplan was to rough up the Pats receivers, much like the Pats used to do before the "point of emphasis". The do have a point that these calls were made at key times and not consistently throughout the game...but they don't have any case that the penalties didn't happen.
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    I saw the out of bounds penalty right away. If you Tivo it, you will see it, the Pats guy actually does a flip on the sideline he was hit so far out of bounds. I made that call from the couch. (without the sound)

    How bout, the Ravens crying about the call on 4-6 (When Brady ran for it), they TACKLED MOSS!!!!!!!!! and they guy is like what, me????
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    no bias there. only bias i saw was no-call on offensive pass interference on ravens hail mary. that pass thrown 1 yard further and it would have cost us the game.
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    Then why did Brady say that he didn't want to get into trouble with the League when he was asked a question about the officiating?
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    What about the holding call on Koppen that killed the Patriots' drive? The ref threw the flag late after a Raven asked for it. Amazing.

    The real problem with replay and the Gaffney catch is that the language isn't precise enough to define what control means. What they need is another Tuck Rule, language that's so precise that it takes away from the ref trying to make a judgement call.

    The ball was moving, and it wasn't totally secure, but Gaffney had both sets of fingers on it as he was moving it toward his body. I call that control. He was controlling the ball. But the ball was still moving.
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    It is actually amusing if you watch the replay from the overhead view. Clayton was the designated "catcher" and the other receiver (not sure which) was the "bouncer". First he took out Gay by knocking him to the ground. They he went after Asante and hauled him down by his pads. Those were the two "front" defenders which is why Clayton was able to get a clean catch.
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    I agree there. That has got to be the most undisciplined team I have ever seen, from their stupid college barking before the game to the way they behave on the field.

    We stole one from them, though, didn't we?

    They learned what so many other teams have elarned over the years:

    DO NOT GIVE BRADY THE BALL WITH UNDER 3:00 IF YOU'RE LEADING. BECAUSE, IF YOU DO, INSIDE OF 3:00, YOU WON'T BE LEADING ANYMORE.
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    Let's not get into non-calls. I'm re-watching the games again......... You can make a solid case for Defensive Holding and/or PI on just about EVERY offensive passing play for NE. Welker pretty much had to run around all game carrying a DB or LB on his back.
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    Glad someone else saw it too. That could easily have been a penalty and probably should have been But they rarely call it. Pat's were outplayed last night but they "Manned Up" when it counted the most.
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    I posted this in the game thread (a few times, actually): the Ravens--mostly on defense--were causing penalties on almost every snap. Holding, PI, you name it and they did it. They were so jacked up and overzealous that you could see clear penalties being committed (two that stick out are holding on Wilfork to spring McGahee for a big run and a block in the back on the kickoff return that turned into a big play). Were they going to call them every single play? No. But I think at the end of the game the officials simply had to call those.

    No b*tching necessary, they played their hearts out and, unfortunately for them, maybe they played a little TOO jacked up.
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    I saw Asante get mugged on the hail mary as well. Probably a good decision not to throw a flag when time had run out with no TD.

    The Ravens imploded, and if you can't take pressure during the full 60 minutes whether it's because of the other team's play or a questionable call, you won't win the tight, pressure games. In other words, you'll never be a champion.

    So, they can have their pre-game dances and their team rituals. I'll take a team that plays with cool under pressure even if it's not playing its best over a team that feels they have the right to win without earning it. It's not about talking the talk, it's all about walking the walk.
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    Not only that but #26 could've been called for pass interference against Watson on that same play!
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    "Pats fans are the most pompous, ignorant, classless group of people in the world. Never have I seen a demograghic of people with less integrity and less knowledge of the game. Gaffney quite clearly bobbled that last catch without any shadow of a doubt. And if that is holding, I hope those refs buy their loved ones extra special gifts with the "Bilichick Bonus" they all seem to get every week. No Fun League? No Fair League. Go Cowboys"

    I love some of the crazy anti-Patriot quotes I'm finding in the comments section of that ESPN article. The best part is that the guy is a COWBOYS fan.

    As for the issue at hand, the calls, I can't site specific examples of plays but I know that on more than one occasion in just about every game, I've had a reason to think the officials were rooting AGAINST the Patriots. The last two games, I was practically convinced the officials all put their life savings on the Eagles and Ravens with those huge lines. ;)
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    Never, ever, ever, ever, ever blame the refs for a loss. If you played well enough to win, you would've won. Period. If Baltimore stops you guys on forth down and 6 then most of the stuff they're whining about never happens in the first place. Furthermore, I thought the officials did a pretty nice job overall last night.

    Playing the Ratbirds twice a season I can tell you that the whining you hearing from them is uncharacteristic of Baltimore, which tells me Billick has lost this team. It's all gonna pile on for the Ratbirds now.

    :bricks:
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    What's even worse is that they're (the Ravens players)blaming officiating after they consistently held, illegally chucked, and interfered the Patriots recievers all night!

    What about the Derrick Mason PI (tackle) of Assante Samuel on the last hail mary that wasn't called?!? What if Baltimore had a timeout left to kick a game tying field goal???? Who would have gotten the short end of the shaft on that one????

    The Ravens tried to employ the same tactic the Pats used against the Rams in the Superbowl. But there's a difference betwen being physical with WR's and hitting them illegally.

    If that's how the Ravens have to win, then they have fallen mightily.
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    Even if the Gaffney TD was reversed, Scott's 2 Unsportsmanlike penalties would still have been assessed, so the Pats would get 1st and goal on what, the 2??? - not sure how it works but I assume half the distance to the goal twice?
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    I disagree with your statement. There have been plenty of teams throughout sports history that DID play well enough to win only to have victory 'jerked' from them based on a bad call or non-call.

    Your statement is overly simplistic and doesn't sound like it came from someone who has 'left it all out on the field' only to be short-changed by officiating. Unfortunately, it's a human element that we have to deal with.

    There is nothing more frustrating in sports as playing well enough to beat your opponent, only to be beaten by the officials.

    How does one constructively complain about bad calls without looking like a sore loser????? And we all know the winners will never complain about a bad call that gave them a victory (something Colts fans have grown used to).

    If you don't complain, then you are only tolerating poor officiating.
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    Sure the ball was moving - he was running with it! In terms of moving without control, you're quite right.
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    we got bingo :D

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    You're exactly wrong. The Patriots outplayed the Ravens as was evidenced not only by the final score, but by their performance in clutch time (stopping the Ravens on defense and winning the game on offense).
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    Indeed, it was PI, the ball hadn't even reached the defender who tipped it (just before it was to get to Watson) when Watson got smacked.
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    Haha, watch the replays then kid. You'll see it. Very clearly.
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    It seems it wasn't just the Ravens complaining. I heard Vrabel went after the refs after the game as well. Did anyone interview about that after the game? If this is a repeat question I apologize. This message board moves at the speed of light.
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