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Please Explain This About Our Pass D: bad QBs do just as well as good QBs

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  1. Patriot 37

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    In the last year and a half the pass defense has played almost as poorly against the botton feeder QBs as they have against the Pro Bowlers. Seriously this makes no sense at all can someone come up something to explain this.

    Garbage QBs we faced since 2011

    Henne 416 2-1 24 points
    Campell 344 1 2 19 points
    Orlasky 353 2 1 24 points
    Grosman 252 2 1 27 points
    Wilson 293 3 0 24 points
    Sanchez 166 2 0 21 points
    Sanchez 300 1 2 16 points
    Sanchez 328 1 1 26 points

    Top QBs we faced since 2011

    Rivers 378 2 2 21 points
    Roethlisberger 365 2 1 25 points
    E. Manning 250 2 1 24 points
    E. Manning 291 1 0 21 points
    P. Manning 337 3 0 21 points
     
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    Different approaches would be my guess, not to mention that some of those have come against the more prevent defenses.

    For many of those QB's the gameplan was likely to force them to try and drive the length of the field..unfortunately, many of them did.

    For the better QB's in the league, the approach would seem to be different on some level.

    This will have to change if the offense is no longer going to be able to put 30+ pts up every game though (not saying they will or will not).
     
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    Yup. BB generally tries to take away what teams do best. For teams with great QBs, he focuses on limiting them and apparently does a halfway decent job. For teams with lesser QBs he's more willing to let them take their shots, or is more focused on stopping other elements of the offense.
     
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    To expand on the point made by mayoclinic, forget about yards and focus on turnovers instead.

    The first group combined for 11 touchdowns and 8 turnovers, even though they were not the focus of the defense.

    The second group combined for 10 touchdowns and 5 turnovers.

    Turnovers are far more important than yards. I'm guessing that part of the defensive game plan against the lesser quarterbacks included the idea that sooner or later they would make critical errors.

    Against the better quarterbacks there was more focus on them, and limiting what they could do. Obviously they didn't shut them down, but an average of 2TD:1INT isn't horrible considering their talent level.
     
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    That pretty much sums it up. The Giants in the SB game and Steelers slowed down Brady by keeping him off the field and disrupting him just enough when he was on it, our offense never got into a rhythm either game. Both games their plans worked to perfection. This is how the Saints beat Peyton in SB44 they did not try to outgun him, rather they did a great job limiting his possessions. Most of those bad QB's got down early and had to play catchup, like you said some of it against prevent defense.

    In the regular season game vs. Eli I will admit it was different though, our defense did have a solid outing in that one until the last drive and that loss I would pit on the offense for hanging them out to dry and turning the ball over several times. But the Giants WERE without Nicks and Bradshaw that game so that helped our defense alot.
     
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    The rising floor effect. When every QB we play, does as well as a QB could possibly do, they all look the same.
     
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    Unfortunately, I think your right.
     
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    That's about as dumb as a screen door on a battleship. Now why don't you make like a tree, and get outta here?
     
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    lol

    Wonder what your prior exchanges with that poster was about. :)
     
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    actually, that was my first thought too
     
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    Beat it, McFly
     
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    The Jets game pretty much disproves much that has been said about the stats in the thread post.

    Obviously the way to beat the Jets is to pressure Sanchez. When he is even a bit flustered he makes costly errors. So, what did we do? We pressured him 15% of the plays. And don't tell me we were putting pressure on some other (more important) aspect of the Jets game because that is ludicrous. (We sure didn't put it on Jeremy Kerley)
     
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    It is a lot more complicated than that though.
    When you are facing a QB like Sanchez, a big part of the formula has to be to not make it easy for him.
    Everyone seems to think calling a blitz means hitting the QB. It doesn't work that way. If you do not get to the QB you have less men in coverage and make his read, and job easier.
    On the other hand, any QB in the NFL will throw for 300 yards if they throw 40+ times and are comfortable in the pocket with open receivers.
    The Patriots are, overall, one of if not THE most conservative teams in the NFL. Yes they go for 4th downs a lot, but is because the odds are strong. Yes, they throw a lot but that is because you have Tom Brady.

    Personally, I think that the passing game has evolved in this league to where a conservative pass defense is a slow death. I think that is what we are seeing here. Unbfortunately we have also given up some big plays.
    QBs are approaching 70% completions in the league. Teams are more than willing to take 5 yard throws to do that.
    That is the double edged sword. If teams are willing to take 75%-80% success throwing 5 yards downfield and you blitz, you cannot get there in time, or effectively cover the short areas.

    People want to make it sound like an easy concept, but stopping the pass, in the 2010s is probably the most challenging thing we have seen in the league in many years.
     
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    I agree. That's why I always prefer the Pats play (against) a great O and weak D. Because the opponent's O will be great either way.
     
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    Anyway you slice it, it comes down to one thing. They're not good at all.
     
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    They are absolutely one of the most pathetic teams to go 27-5 over 2 seasons that the NFL has ever seen.
     
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    This thread sums up this board in a nutshell. Couple of folks attempt to have an intelligent discussion about some aspect of the game and lightweight kneejerks who can never keep up with one jump in to poke sticks at them and the mere concept of intelligent discussion in some vague hope of looking too smart to fall for it.
     
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    this sarcasm meter is going off the charts
     
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    He's talking about the quality of the passing defense. If you somehow believe our record in the past two seasons indicates that we have been anything but horrendous against the pass, you're certifiably insane.
     
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    I know him. One day I was sitting and minding my own business in a coffee shop and he called me a dork and asked me if I jumped ship. His nephew is even worse. Destroyed the courthouse in a hover board accident one time.
     
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