Please Explain This About Our Pass D: bad QBs do just as well as good QBs

[Deus Irae]

In the last year and a half the pass defense has played almost as poorly against the botton feeder QBs as they have against the Pro Bowlers. Seriously this makes no sense at all can someone come up something to explain this.

Garbage QBs we faced since 2011

Henne 416 2-1 24 points
Campell 344 1 2 19 points
Orlasky 353 2 1 24 points
Grosman 252 2 1 27 points
Wilson 293 3 0 24 points
Sanchez 166 2 0 21 points
Sanchez 300 1 2 16 points
Sanchez 328 1 1 26 points

Top QBs we faced since 2011

Rivers 378 2 2 21 points
Roethlisberger 365 2 1 25 points
E. Manning 250 2 1 24 points
E. Manning 291 1 0 21 points
P. Manning 337 3 0 21 points

The 2011 Super Bowl numbers are very misleading. Eli destroyed the secondary that game. He was 31 for 42, and the Giants consistently moved the ball, mostly stopping due to their own penalties or because the Patriots were able to stop the run.

On the Giants first drive, it was a pair of sacks that forced the punt, and that was after the Giants had gone from their 23 to the Patriots 33.

On the Giants second drive, they started at their 22 and scored a TD.

On the Giants third drive, The Giants picked up 2 first downs before a penalty backed them up and they came up 4 yards short on a 3rd down pass.

On the Giants fourth drive, the Giants picked up 2 first downs and converted a run on 3rd-and-one, but it was called back due to a holding call.

The fifth drive was a kneel down.

The Giants sixth drive started on the Giants 35, moved to the NE 20, and resulted in a Giants field goal.

The Giants seventh drive started at the NE 48, generated 3 first downs, and then stalled inside the 10 with two stuffed runs and a sack.

The Giants eighth drive started at the Giants 8, got 3 first downs, and got to 3rd and 5 on the NE 38 before a penalty on the Giants stalled the drive.

The Giants ninth drive started at the Giants 12 and led to the game winning TD.

 

[Patjew]

Awesome memories.

 

[PittPatriot]

The 2011 Super Bowl numbers are very misleading. Eli destroyed the secondary that game. He was 31 for 42, and the Giants consistently moved the ball, mostly stopping due to their own penalties or because the Patriots were able to stop the run.

On the Giants first drive, it was a pair of sacks that forced the punt, and that was after the Giants had gone from their 23 to the Patriots 33.

On the Giants second drive, they started at their 22 and scored a TD.

On the Giants third drive, The Giants picked up 2 first downs before a penalty backed them up and they came up 4 yards short on a 3rd down pass.

On the Giants fourth drive, the Giants picked up 2 first downs and converted a run on 3rd-and-one, but it was called back due to a holding call.

The fifth drive was a kneel down.

The Giants sixth drive started on the Giants 35, moved to the NE 20, and resulted in a Giants field goal.

The Giants seventh drive started at the NE 48, generated 3 first downs, and then stalled inside the 10 with two stuffed runs and a sack.

The Giants eighth drive started at the Giants 8, got 3 first downs, and got to 3rd and 5 on the NE 38 before a penalty on the Giants stalled the drive.

The Giants ninth drive started at the Giants 12 and led to the game winning TD.

Awesome memories.

Yes…it hurts a little less but tastes a little worse the 2nd time around.

 

[Kontradiction]

The 2011 Super Bowl numbers are very misleading. Eli destroyed the secondary that game. He was 31 for 42, and the Giants consistently moved the ball, mostly stopping due to their own penalties or because the Patriots were able to stop the run.

On the Giants first drive, it was a pair of sacks that forced the punt, and that was after the Giants had gone from their 23 to the Patriots 33.

On the Giants second drive, they started at their 22 and scored a TD.

On the Giants third drive, The Giants picked up 2 first downs before a penalty backed them up and they came up 4 yards short on a 3rd down pass.

On the Giants fourth drive, the Giants picked up 2 first downs and converted a run on 3rd-and-one, but it was called back due to a holding call.

The fifth drive was a kneel down.

The Giants sixth drive started on the Giants 35, moved to the NE 20, and resulted in a Giants field goal.

The Giants seventh drive started at the NE 48, generated 3 first downs, and then stalled inside the 10 with two stuffed runs and a sack.

The Giants eighth drive started at the Giants 8, got 3 first downs, and got to 3rd and 5 on the NE 38 before a penalty on the Giants stalled the drive.

The Giants ninth drive started at the Giants 12 and led to the game winning TD.

Clearly the offense was 100% at fault for that loss.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Ninkovich jumping offside on 3rd down on the eventual game-winning drive that would have been their first 3 and out too. Boy, what a stellar defensive game that was for us.

I definitely blame Welker:deadhorse:

 

[olschool]

Clearly the offense was 100% at fault for that loss.

It's Brady's fault. He's lost two Superbowls in a row. Throw da bum out !

 

[NYCPatsFan]

This is a line interview with Mike Lombardi published today on weei:

"Asked whether the Rams have any receivers who the Patriots should watch out for, Lombardi said that the Patriots’ inability to cover anyone overshadows opponents’ talents."

Ouch!!


It Is What It Is » Mike Lombardi on D&C: Rams going to take their shots in fourth quarter

 

[ralmat55]

Personally, I think that the passing game has evolved in this league to where a conservative pass defense is a slow death.

Thank you for the best description I've heard yet for the agony that is the Patriots pass defense.

 

[Finnishfan]

In the last year and a half the pass defense has played almost as poorly against the botton feeder QBs as they have against the Pro Bowlers. Seriously this makes no sense at all can someone come up something to explain this.

Garbage QBs we faced since 2011

Henne 416 2-1 24 points
Campell 344 1 2 19 points
Orlasky 353 2 1 24 points
Grosman 252 2 1 27 points
Wilson 293 3 0 24 points
Sanchez 166 2 0 21 points
Sanchez 300 1 2 16 points
Sanchez 328 1 1 26 points

Top QBs we faced since 2011

Rivers 378 2 2 21 points
Roethlisberger 365 2 1 25 points
E. Manning 250 2 1 24 points
E. Manning 291 1 0 21 points
P. Manning 337 3 0 21 points

A lot of reasons given to you already, some of them very important ones but few big reasons are still missing.

1) Our defense has a poor reputation. Scrub QBs are usually more insecure. They feel more secure playing against us than against some other teams.

2) We dont have "scary pass rushers", and havent had them since Richard Seymour left and Ty Warren got injured. Insecure QBs dont need to look over their shoulders against us. Perhaps Jones, Cunningham and Ninko will change this.

3) Our blitz scheme selection is narrow. We rarely rush more than 4, so there is not much room for variation due to that. Helps scub QBs because its easier to read our pressure packages and anticipate how much time they have to make a play.

4) We dont shuffle our DL enough. When have you seen Chandler Jones line up anywhere but the right side of the DL? Again, easier to read our pressure packages.

5) We dont pull DL scheme plays on pass rush very often. We usually rush the guys who have their hand on the ground. We dont stunt much. Again, makes it easier to anticipate where the pressure is coming from.

6) We dont even try to disguise our blitz packages that much. When we blitz, its pretty much A gap blitzes from Mayo and Spikes. Our safeties dont blitz at all. That helps the scrub QBs in reading our backfield.

7) Our CBs are weak in man coverage and they play with a lot of cushion. They do a decent job jamming the receivers, but that affects elite QBs more than scrub ones, because they depend more on timed routes.

8) We havent had a proven DC since Crennel left. BB gives some of his attention to offense as well as other matters, and our current DC has no pro experience and his only playing experience comes from OL. Hardly proven. So I would suspect that our schemes overall are simpler which makes preparing against us easier, which again evens the playing field for scrubs and rookies.

9) BB is very conservative with the defense these days. Again, makes it easier to prepare against us.

 

[Jackson 2]

This is a line interview with Mike Lombardi published today on weei:

"Asked whether the Rams have any receivers who the Patriots should watch out for, Lombardi said that the Patriots’ inability to cover anyone overshadows opponents’ talents."

Ouch!!


It Is What It Is » Mike Lombardi on D&C: Rams going to take their shots in fourth quarter

I believe that the Patriots secondary has received so much (deserved) poor publicity that even the officials believe it's nearly impossible for them to defend passes effectively. Thus, on those rare occsasions when a pass is broken up, they subconciously think that it couldn't have occurred without PI. Come to think of it, that's my first thought as well.