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AdamJT13 nailed it again with Pat's picks.
EXCELLENT We have the amunition to have a good draft.
You mean a great draft...
So what do they have now, 5 of the top 100 picks?
I have to think that Belichick is going to trade at least 2 of them... and he can't trade #97
Nope cant trade comp picks, Id be very surprised if at least one of the picks in the first 3 rounds arent traded somehow. Hopefully one of this is for Pep
I stand corrected.
I just realized that the NFL Team meetings are happening not far from where I live in Dana Point. Anyone know what Patriots representatives are there? I'm thinking of stopping by for "lunch" at the hotel.
New England now has six selections in the top 100. They have their own first-round pick (No. 23 overall). Three third-round selections -- No. 34 (acquired from the Chiefs for Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel), No. 47 (acquired in a trade with the Chargers during the 2008 draft) and their own pick at No. 58. Then they have a pair of third-rounders -- their own pick (No. 89) and the compensatory pick.
I think the big one (obv) is the #3. It is the first one after the regular #3s and should in a spot to land someone decent.
As pointed out, I also believe BB will be moving some picks (can't move these new ones, but...). He always does - he has many in this draft - he has quite a few quality players and therefore limited spots.
I'd personally like to see them move one the the 2s for a 1st next year (maybe someone who thinks they're a playoff team would figure it's not that much diff).
Bottom line : as much as I enjoy the potential to add to the squad, I need to believe more will be used on D than O. I'm not choosy - it can be anywhere on D. Even the DL that some will say is of quality. They will be moving Seymour (or letting him move himself) eventually, I have to believe.
I agree! With all the picks we have and limited roster space!! We might have 2 first rounders this draft!!
Pays to lose players, while it could be argued that Samuel would had greatly improved the 08 version of the New England Patriots.
First round = 1
Second round = 3
Third round = 2*
Fourth round = 1
Fifth round = 1*
Sixth round = 2*
Seventh round = 1
Since the roster is stacked with players that won't likely be traded or released, I find it hard to deal with so many picks this year. So the obvious solution is to trade off a ton of picks. Here is hoping that a the Pats come out of this draft with 1.) a grip of legitimate talent and/or 2.) a ton of ammo, aka picks, for the 2010 draft. 2 first rounders in 2010 would be amazing.
Yea imagine trading up to the first round so we will have 2 dominant players in the first round this year then trade our later picks for possible first rounders next year!
BB has shown he is not scred of moving up a few spots. I think he did so to grap T. Warren. He also moved up to get the infamous WR C.Jackson.
I'd be quite surprised if they moved up to get another #1 unless it's packaging the #34 they got for Cassel. But something tells me (even though I can't produce the proof) that the #31, for example, which is 2nd to last in round 1 is much more expensive than #34, the second pick in round 2. And unless there is a beast there for the taking, I'd be kinda surprised to see BB make that jump on account of the dollar signs.
We'll see in April. Let's sit back on that weekend and enjoy the ride. If they make a crazy Moss-like trade, that would really jumpstart 09 - though I can't see a deal being that lopsided going down again. Even Peppers for a 3rd wouldn't be the steal Moss was... he even came cheap.
Can we fastforward real life ?
I would say OL can use some upgrades. This line as is will have trouble against strong D lines the likes of Giants, Steelers, and Cowboys.
I wouldn't hate that. To be honest, if the Pats had a top 10 pick, I'd probably predict they'd go that route because I think BB likes the value at that spot in the draft for OL. BUT... Scar is a beastmaster. I'm quite a bit more worried about stopping their scoring than our own scoring (yes, I am using I and WE even though I'd clearly have a hard time surviving even the easiest non-contact drill in July).
One minor correction. The Patriots have only the compensatory pick in
the 5th round. Their 5th round pick was traded for Greg Lewis and a 7th
round pick in 2010.
Here is the complete list from PFT.com. I'm surprised Pittsburgh didn't get a 3rd for losing Faneca.
The 2009 compensatory picks are set forth below, with round, overall place in round, overall place in draft, and team.
3 (33-97) New England
3 (34-98) Cincinnati
3 (35-99) Chicago
3 (36-100) NY Giants
4 (33-133) San Diego
4 (34-134) San Diego
4 (35-135) Tennessee
4 (36-136) Indianapolis
5 (33-169) Pittsburgh
5 (34-170) New England
5 (35-171) San Francisco
5 (36-172) Dallas
5 (37-173) Tennessee
6 (33-206) Tennessee
6 (34-207) New England
6 (35-2080 Dallas
6 (36-209) Cincinnati
7 (33-242) Tennessee
7 (34-243) Washington
7 (35-244) San Francisco
7 (36-245) Seattle
7 (37-246) Chicago
7 (38-247) Seattle
7 (39-248) Seattle
7 (40-249) Cincinnati
7 (41-250) Jacksonville
7 (42-251) Chicago
7 (43-252) Cincinnati
7 (44-253) Jacksonville
7 (45-254) Arizona
7 (46-255) Detroit
7 (47-256) Kansas City
Pretty much what I expected. I thought our 3rd round comp for Asante would end up being 97, and a 5th and 6th is about right, much as I had been hoping for a 4th.
Right now I see our mostly likely trade picks being #58 and 89. I can see using #89 to trade into 2010, or potentially to package with one of our day 1 picks in order to move up. #89 + 23 gets us to around #18; #89 + 34 gets us to around #26; #89 + 47 gets us to around #34-35; and #89 + 58 gets us to around #43. I would like to see us get at least 3 really top prospects out of the first day, and trading up may help to get them. With the #97 pick, we should still be able to get a quality prospect early on the second day. I could also see us trading #58 into 2010 if there is better value there.
Can't wait to see what we do on draft day.
I'm sure this just ruined John Clayton's night
I take your point but, just to be contrarian, I'll argue that it only takes one pick to make a great draft (like Round Six, 2000) and that a bunch of lower round picks can still add up to a mediocre draft.
I believe our complete list of picks by round is now:
2: 34, 47, 58
3: 89, 97
6: 199, 207
We traded our own 5th for Greg Lewis. Can't trade away the comp picks 97, 170, 207.
That's a nice list - 4 in the top 60, 6 in the top 100, 11 total picks.
Man I'm so pumped for this draft shame we can't trade these ah well
It's really nice spacing too. 11 picks is about 4 too many too make the team though..... I see some considerable movement come draft weekend. My guess, and it is just a guess, is a trade into 2010's draft and a package deal trade of picks either up or down on day 1.
Should make for an entertaining weekend!
umm, who did NY giants, chicago and cincy lose worthy of a 3rd?
(ps, dont tell me shockey for NY)
Beak man? Cluk, cluk. LOL
I agree with using picks to trade up or into next year, but there is nothing wrong with picking 11 players when there is only room for 7. When you pick 7, it is unlikely that all 7 will be winners. Picking 11 lets you pick the best 7 of the litter.
Hate to be a downer, but if the 2007 draft is any indication, they'd be better off bartering those untradeable 5 and 6 rounders for sky miles.
Had me confused...you made a typo, I fixed it.
Separate names with a comma.