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  1. MP-Logick

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    Hmm.......
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    I don't know that BB has many options at this point. McD's results in Denver were ambiguous - some folks say his drafting was good albeit they said it after he was canned. He didn't do much in St. Louis - not sure if that's his fault or if it's a talent problem. I tend to think Brady can make any offensive coordinator look good. I always wondered if a former player - maybe a Steve Grogan type - would be a good option.
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    I think my main skepticism with McDaniels would be: would he be gone again within two years?
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    1. so BB does not trust another person on staff to be the OC, even in a limited role

    or

    2. BB wants to focus on the defense (deservedly so) and wants another person to take off some of his duties as OC, so that he can function is HC, but also as a DC to some extent

    either way this is the first time i recall the pats going out of their way to bring BACK a coordinator that has left, obviously wasnt going to be done with Mangini, but it was not happening with Romeo or Weis???

    whatever it is, its obvious that BB has extreme trust in Josh....i would even go so far as to say that BB wants him back so that when he retires, Josh can take over the program
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    So here are the pieces to the puzzle right now:

    1. BOB is gone for next year.
    2. McDaniels is under contract with the Rams.

    [Everything under this is just a report]
    3. Jeff Fisher is the favorite to be the Rams' next head coach.
    4. Fisher would not keep McDaniels.
    5. The Patriots have asked for permission to talk with McDaniels
    6. The Patriots really like Brian Ferentz (TE coach) as a future OC candidate, but he's not ready.
    7. McDaniels wants to go somewhere temporarily with the goal of another shot at being a HC.

    3-5 seem to confirm that the Pats are interested, and 6-7 are why it makes a ton of sense. Oh yeah, and Brandon Lloyd said he's going wherever McDaniels goes. Had some attitude problems that got him kicked out of Denver, but he absolutely adores McDaniels.

    Two years seems almost ideal for McDaniels. He can rehab his league image, get a ring or two in the process, and then pass the torch to Ferentz when he finds a job somewhere else.
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    He may want to...but he would also probably have to take less money and learn a very complicated offensive system to do so.
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    He'd do it. He loves McDaniels, and in the link below, the only reference to money is that he wants to earn his pay. And unlike Ochocinco, he's had a taste of a more complex McDaniels offense, although I'm sure it wasn't nearly as complex with Orton, Bradford, and various backups as it is with Brady.

    Maybe the bigger question is if Belichick and Brady would do it, as they're both kind of attached to a different WR on the roster (Ochocinco for Belichick, Branch for Brady).
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    i thought his offensive gameplan in your giants pats sb was retarded but good enough to win, and he's smart and knows your system. this seems like a no brainer.

    wouldnt be surprised if they make him assistant head coach and he takes over for belichik if he has good success that is.

    he's a ****y little ******* though, not subtle at all
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    Just what I was thinking. You beat me to it!
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    Patriots Seeking Permission To Speak with McDaniels?

    Patriots Seeking Permission To Speak with McDaniels?
    By: Damien Jarrett

    Are the Patriots trying to speak to Josh McDaniels? Damien Jarrett explores the possibility........

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    McDaniels has failed in two straight jobs after leaving the Pats. He needs success a lot more than he needs to not be in BB's shadow.

    Also, he'll never get another head coaching job unless, in the interviews, he can explain what he'll do differently than he did the first time. Working a second time for BB could help him when the time comes to spin that story.
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    Interesting point. Since everyone should expect to be completely in the dark about when BB will retire until the moment he actually retires, fans are left to try to interpret signs. The only sign that bears watching is when a well established/well known coordinator joins the Patriots and stays with the Patriots while spurning other HC offers. I think it would be fair to believe BB is speaking of retirement if that happens.
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    Meanwhile...at this very moment,somewhere in Arizona someone is trying to persuade NEM to get off the roof as he is threatening to jump.
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    I've got to hand it to you Sciz, you called it like Babe Ruth buddy :rocker:
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    Over/under on flea flickers next year?
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    While your theory is certainly a very fair and intelligent point that makes a lot of sense, the thought alone of life without Belichick turns my stomach...

    I've honestly give anything for 10 more yrs of Belichick at the helm.

    On top of that, I love JMcD as a potential returning OC, but I'm not sure if I'd necessarily want him replacing Bill Belichick.

    Then again, I'm not exactly sure who I would want..:eek:
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    I like this. When Josh was here, BB spent more time with the D. I think we can all agree, BB spending more time with the D would be a good thing :D
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    He never liked any of the OCs. He probably jumped for joy when he heard BOB was leaving, only to have his dreams shattered by the possibility of Josh coming back :D
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    whoever replaces hoodie is screwed .. the expectations will be out of this world..
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    Good lord, YES..

    Unless it's the reincarnation of Lombardi himself, that is.

    Edit: check that, even Lombardi would be screwed too.
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    McDaniels is one of the best play-callers (and play designers) I've ever seen. I'd absolutely welcome him back.
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    The Rams lost their top FOUR wide receivers, their #1 TE, their starting FB, and three-fifths of their starting OL.

    I don't think you can say he "failed" in STL.

    ETA:

    Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...7ca-11e1-b35d-0019bb30f31a.html#ixzz1ifLG8zys
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    mcdaniels is alot like norv turner


    you cant hold the rams and denver against him, those are tough places to be succesful lately, and mcdaniels was only an oc in st louis. the broncos are only now just making the playoffs again for i think only the 2nd time since losing elway, and this year due to a really stagnant afc west field.

    mcdaniels back in ne should get the most out of him.
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    Would not be against this happening!

    But, if he isn't fired, would the Patriots need to give something up for him? Seeing as it is a like for like job?
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    8. Brian Shottenheimer is rumored to be in line for the Jags coach
    9. The SOJ's and Tannenbaum would pounce on McDaniels after 4 (above) occurs
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    i dont think so as long as the rams give permission.

    lateral moves arent illegal theyre just rare.

    i cant recall a playoff team seeking permission from a non playoff team in regards to speaking to one of their current coaches while said playoff team hasnt even played their first playoff game yet, that seems very rare.
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    i cant see mcdaniels and rex's egos coexisting.
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    Will be interestesting to see if McDaniels has learned a bit of humility.


    If he has. This may work.

    If he hasn't...................
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    I think Bill is getting the jump on the competition under the circumstances. It's a given Pioli will persue him, but since he wasn't yet available no one thought to persue him and Pioli is caught short again because he's going thru the motions on his HC search...rather than just naming RAC as it's expected he ultimately will. Josh watched the Mangini fiasco in the swamp so he knows better than to go there. But they are in limbo in the meantime as Schottenheimer interviews for HC gigs... I think read Atlanta granted permission for their OC (Mularky) to interview in Jacksonville (where they are looking for an offensive HC to develop Gabbert), and that would make Atlanta another situation where they'd likely be interested in Josh.

    Daboll is out there but he's in limbo pending Miami's HC search and circus but he left here with Mangini when Bill wouldn't even make him the QB coach so likely is off the radar. There was another young gun in the pipeline at the same time whose name eludes me at the moment, but he left when Josh got the job so it's unlikely Bill is interested even now...

    Doesn't matter whether you grow em or hire em as hired guns, if they succeed they are gone. As Bill would say it is what it is. As for outsiders, they don't know the system and the system endures even as it adapts to talent. Someone's suggestion of Grogan is comical for that reason. I don't understand why people can't just accept that.
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