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    I've followed rugby sparingly over the last couple decades since playing in college, but I knew all about Jonah Lomu. 6'5 and 270 pound back with blazing speed. He plowed people. Earl Campbell but bigger and stronger. I always expected some NFL Scout to lure him but I discovered just now that he retired 2 years ago at the age of 31 (talk of a comeback in France recently) because of kidney ailments.

    Have a look at this guy running and hitting people. I bet he has 4.6 40 speed at 270 pounds, and he's got moves too!

    YouTube - The Best of Jonah Lomu MUST SEE!! (Rare Tries) Part 1

    For those wondering, the NFL has recruited top Rugby players in the past, but so far no one has taken the plunge.
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    You mean had 4.6 speed. He was faster than that at his peak. He ran a 10.8 100 metres.

    Thats 110 yards so I'd reckon that translates to 4.3/4.4
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    He was definitely a freak of nature.

    I don't know anyone in the history of the NFL that had his skill set, and in part 2 of the video, you can even see some of his ball skills (he kicks a little up and under and collects the ball neatly).
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    man, that's a freight train going down hill. up high and you just slide off. down low and you take a knee to the chops. that's fun, TO WATCH.
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    I certainly won't deny his athleticism, but that video showed some pretty terrible tackling on the vast majority of the plays. Why on earth so many guys tried to arm tackle him high, I'll never understand.

    Note that I say this as a guy who played college rugby at 6'3, 255-260. I didn't have nearly the speed that guy did, but I, and many of my fellow forwards, could easily run through high arm tackles like that as well (when playing against appropriate competition).
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    Well, Americans tackle harder. But we learned our lessons with our hard tackling when we did a tour of Scotland. The teams we played were smaller than us, and all they tried to do was wrap us up. Meanwhile, we were creaming them and taking them down. The problem was, they were getting the ball out quicker than we could hit them, and while we were lying on the ground after our hard hits, the ball was flying out to the wing, and those little guys were demolishing us on the scoreboard. I don't think solid American tackling counts as much in the international game. On a lot of those Lomu runs, you see a wing to his outside. He could easily pass the ball of to a teammate, but each time he takes the defender on, and it's like the defender is both shocked and scared at the same time. A few guy stuck their noses in and were bowled over.
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    He was fantastic to watch.

    True freak of nature!
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    Certainly with the game of rugby as you know the whole idea is to create gaps (not unlike football) so by takingo nthe man and releasing the ball quickly those gaps are created.

    jonah should have won a world cup medal in 95.
    Mysteriously the team came down with a bout of food poisoning a couple of days before the final against South Africa in South Africa.

    Meant to add.

    Met the man once. What a complete gentleman.
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    Wow I really hate it why some twerp adds obnoxious music to these highlight reels; have to turn off the sound.

    Anyway I don't think I have ever seen such poor tackling. Nor did I see any Ray Lewis type hitting this guy; that would be interesting.
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    You have to remember in the day Lomu was the exception not the rule.

    As a result 15 years later, rugby is a game where everybody is bigger. If you look at clips now of games you will see a different body shape than in 95.
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    Looking at that video, I'd have to say that guy was the "Anti-Maroney".
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    Jerry Jones tried to sign him for the Cowboys, but he had never played football and had guaranteed money from rugby.
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    Is Jim Brown a fair comparison? They were both so much better than the competition at the time that they just dominate.
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    No you don't. You may hit harder on the odd occasion but Rugby League players go hammer and tong and tackle each other harder, especially the Kiwis in their 3 year period of dominance before they collapse in a heap and choke during World Cups.

    Lomu was a freak of nature. Unfortunately he was heavily affected by a kidney disorder and was never the same after being diagnosed.
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    Too bad none of those tacklers put a shoulder or a body into the guy--I would have liked to see if he could handle a proper NFL collision.
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    Seattle tried signing Greg Inglis this year apparently to play TE and return kicks, he's 6'5" 236lbs:

    YouTube - Best of Greg Inglis

    YouTube - Greg Inglis Tribute

    Brilliant, brilliant player.


    Wouldn't get that problem with a Rugby League player, every tackle has the same impact as a 40mph car crash and they don't wear padding.
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    The point about off-loading is a good one. Also, remember that the game is often a lot more fluid, so that there is more broken-field play (defenders more likely to be off balance and unable to anticipate the direction of play) and these guys don't have the helmet and pads of the NFL.

    On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the "conditioning methods" of the NFL (*cough* *cough*) are more extreme so it would be very hard for a rugby guy to compete. Lomu was a phenomenon, no doubt, but I wonder if even he in his prime could have taken the relentless contact of the NFL.

    Anyway, at least rugby players can punt the ball without shanking it. I can't believe what I'm hearing about Mesko -- it should be as rare for a pro punter to shank a punt as it would be for a pro golfer to shank a drive.
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    Pat Richards (Wigan Warriors) is looking at moving to the NFL for next season to punt, in the World Cup he hit a drop kick 90 yards and probably has the longest punt in the game, can see a team taking him to training camp.
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    They could say the same about guys wearing pads.

    Please. Lets not get into the My Dad is bigger than your Dad argument
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    The tackling suits the game, Rugby is very rough house and most can tackle and wrap up guys as it's taught, the games just scrappy. The pondering if these guys could handle a NFL hit/tackle is confusing. These are Rugby players, they tackle and hit hard non stop for 80 mins. That also means they recieve them amongst other various methods of aggression. I had a training session at Waterloo (a local team by me) years ago and it's organised chaos, the tackling drills are great.

    Remember these are guys who by and large don't watch the NFL because they think it's soft.

    Wether Rugby players would translate into Football is another disscusion but they could more than handle the physical nature. They get hit and then get another one in the shape of a elbow on the floor for their troubles. No wonder it's the game of choice for the British Army, mayhem.
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    Tackling is also very different between the two sports in a way only an American can perhaps appreciate. In football, we're taught to hit the player square as we lead with the shoulder, which often means our head is to the side of the opponent's body which comes to ground first. Often defenders land underneath the tackled opponent in football. In Rugby it's the complete opposite. You lead with the shoulder and take the tackle to the side of your body, with your head outside the part of the opponent's body that comes to ground first. In Rugby, the defender wants to land on top of the tackled. This literally means the degree of impact changes.
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    When I see these videos I lament the fact that in the USA we are taught old school Rugby rules while the rest of the world more or less operates similar to the NBA's traveling rules. Releasing the ball on a tackle, knock-ons when the ball isn't handled on a pass cleanly (one of the Caucau tries shows him bobbling the ball), no help jumping in a line out, obstruction, infractions against wheeling the scrum, none of this happens around the world. In the USA, we're taught a 1930s version of the game.
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    It depends on which code of rugby, in Union you can't shoulder charge so you have to use the technique you described, whereas in League shoulder charging is allowed so you see more head on collisions with the shoulder.

    YouTube - Big HIt Sampson
    Like that for example, it's a few years old now and the commentary is in a broad Yorkshire dialect, but that sort of hit is fairly common and happens a few times a game. If the NFL were to take players from Rugby, then the 2 different codes would provide different players with better skills, the Union players would make better kickers/punters whereas league players would produce better results as Linebackers & Tight Ends. In fact, the Jets had a League player at training camp a few years ago and he was played at DE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ubaBTR7ZM&feature=related
    Another example of the difference in tackling between the 2 rugbys.
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    You're right, we were taught Union.
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    I would imagine the tackling differences between the sports also are affected by Rugby Union's nature in terms of possesion control and rucking. In football once you have the offensive player down, the play is over(sans fumble that is). In Rugby (at least Union I believe?) you have to remember that as the ball carrier is going down both he and the tackler are trying (if possible in the mayhem) to position themselves to help their teammates coming in get better position when rucking over and trying to get the ball out to their side.

    I am by no means a Rugby expert so pardon any inaccuracies or tentative statements. I played in college and fell in love with the game but being in the states I do not get a lot of chances to watch games live or on T.V. We also played more or less Union rules I think so I'm not as familiar with the League rules. It sounds like it would be interesting to see this.

    Oh and from all the video I've seen Lomu was an animal, would've loved to see him line up on the football field. In fact, I would've loved to see him play in person. I envy you overseas who get to see competitive rugby on a regular basis.
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