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    From his chat on ESPN.com:

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19650

    So he accused the Seahawks of pumping in crowd noise. Pretty serious allegation that will get ignored by ESPN and the media.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Whatever, at this point I don't care. The Patriots shouldn't have been punished for a minor infraction, but to constantly harp on other teams for minor infractions is just pedantic and annoying.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Hasn't Roidboy heard the phrase, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? It just seems ironic that he of all people would cry wolf.
    Although I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, obviously Indy has been getting away with it for years, why shouldn't the Seahawks?
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Why? I think as long as the Pats are persecuted on a political witchhunt, it is important to bring attention of other disgressions. The more these things come to light, the more Specter, ESPN, and others cannot treat the Pats are evil and the only team that has ever "cheated" in the NFL.

    The local media and a few others read this board. It is important to bring these things to their attention.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    If anyone would know about illegally gaining a competitive advantage, it's Merriman.

    But, agreed with primetime. This ritual of, "Team X Did ____, Where's the Outrage?!" threads are lame.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    I may be in the minority here - but I love these threads! It helps fuel my moral indignation!
    We got screwed. We are getting screwed. And we are going to continue to get screwed.
    Pointing out and talking about how we were treated so unfairly compared to Team X and whatever infraction they might have commited won't accomplish anything but it does reinforce how how ridiculously the Pats were treated.

    And maybe these truths will filter out to the rest of the world and some semblence of sanity will be restored to the NFL.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Agreed. The people who want to hide their heads in the sand and say "so what" (and not just about this but things in general) are only fostering an environment where more things are gotten away with.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    _____ accuse _______ of cheating!!!!! ESPN will ignore it!!!! OMFG everyone hates the Patriots!!!

    The real victim in Spygate is critical thought.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    You care to explain just how you feel that's not critical thought?
    Because logically, it works just fine.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Sure. There is a wide gap between something that was proven by the league and admitted by the Patriots and something Shawne Merriman (hardly an objective source) said in an internet chat. People make unfounded accusations like that constantly, and to take every single one and say "the NFL has to come down HARD on this, since they punished the Patriots" is ridiculous.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Well, considering the legitimate media has pretty universally ignored any other allegation of violating the rules or outright cheating, how is critical thought a victim here? It is just a statement of the reality of the situation.

    Most of the media are not interested in getting to the truth about cheating in the NFL as they have taken the moral stance. They are about getting to get to the bottom of the Matt Walsh/spygate/Rams' walkthrough story and that is it.

    If critical though is the victim, it is because people in the media have killed it among themselves. I don't think they hate the Patriots, but I do think they are singleminded towards spygate and hopes that it is true (but not because of their hatred to the Pats, but because they feel it would be the story of the decade). Many people in the media do ignore everything except anything that degregates the Patriots. When Mike Florio can even recognize it and points it out, you know there is something to it.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    I'm saying that Merriman stating something in an internet chat is a far cry away from the Patriots being caught red handed violating league rules. Now I agree with the consensus around here that both the NFL and the media went overboard on Spygate, and I wish it would stop as much as the next guy. But asking for a witch hunt every time there's even the slightest ripple like this is just going to make the problem worse, not better.

    Whether we like it or not, the media is going to run their course on Spygate. All of us are hoping that whatever Walsh has or says is ultimately inconsequential, and I think that will ultimately be the case. But once it's run it's course, I don't want to be bitter and ask the NFL and the media to investigate every little claim Shawn Merriman or some other knucklehead makes, I just want it to go away so we can go back to enjoying football again, and not worrying about this garbage.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Wait. The Pats have been victims of scrutiny by the media for months on unfounded accusations from them jamming opposing team's radio communications to Matt Walsh having the videotape of the walkthrough which he and his attorney have never admitted he had and has only been speculated. The Super Bowl weekend was totally disrupted by an article from John Tomase that at this point is still an unfounded accusation.

    A large portion of the media's coverage of everything Spygate have been reporting unfounded accusations and even speculations by the media. How is this different than what Merriman did?
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    But why are all of you listening to a crybaby like Merriman?? Is there a bigger complainer in the league? Remember him sacking TN and Fisher says something like"someone get that guy"... What else is a coach to say? What else is a player to do? He doesnt like the fact that players are PAID TO HIT HIM, but its ok if he is paid to hit someone else...If it comes from someone reputable let me know, Merriman has lost all my respect when it comes to listening....I will watch him play, but I wont listen.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Has the NFL punished the Patriots based on any of the above? No. People can blame the Super Bowl loss on the Tomase hit job (and that's what it was) as much as they want, but you can color me unconvinced.

    You're right that the media harps on the Patriots and treats the rest of the NFL like their [expletive] don't stink, but unless that actually translates into action by the NFL, who cares? The NFL's initial overreaction to it and the media's initial overreaction to it were two different things. I haven't heard the league itself calling for any additional investigation on this, and I believe that the only reason they're kicking the tires on Walsh is because they'd be accused of duplicity otherwise.

    The media will continue to harp on it because Spygate pieces basically write themselves at this point and because it sells copy. That's what the media does. I'm not going to hope that they spend MORE time investigating shenanigans by other teams instead of actually covering football, that's the exact opposite of what I want. As long as the Patriots aren't punished further, than the media can do whatever they please (and they will).
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    So it is ok for their to be a witch hunt against the Patriots for every little ripple. The Pats have been convicted by the media without a shread of evidence on a lot of things. I think it is only fair that the media treats every accusation the same.

    If you get arrested for doing drugs. The police can't search your house on every rumor of more wrong doings. The media has used one incidence of rules violations to drudge up any accusation against the Pats and use it as validation to report every accusation levied against the Pats.

    My personal take is if ESPN and the NY Times are going to report every accusation against the Pats, they MUST do the same with every team.

    As for getting past this garbage and enjoying football, good luck with that. If Walsh says that he videotaped the walkthrough against the Rams even if he has no evidence, this isn't going away for a long, long time. Specter is going to use that to push for Senate hearings. People are kidding themselves that if Walsh has no evidence and it is just his word against the Pats word that the media and Specter who want this story to be true will not treat Walsh as an impeachable witness.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    I guess it's just a blessing to us that the media has no power to punish the Patriots. The NFL is the entity responsible for punishing or not punishing the Patriots, not the media. The court of public opinion matters very little on the actual field of play or when it comes to assessing how the Patriots should be dealt with.

    And, let's admit it, the Patriots did break the rules. Whether you like it or not, that does invite a hell of a lot more scrutiny. Do I think the Patriots are any more dirty than plenty of other NFL franchises? No. Do I think they brought this on themselves by getting caught directly defying an NFL directive? Absolutely.

    I don't want the media to become more paranoid and accusatory, I want them to become less so.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Haven't we learned that it's not cheating unless the Patriots did it? :bricks:
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Perfectly stated.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Not everyone agrees with the notion that the Patriots broke the rules.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    doesn't seem like he's throwing stones, almost looks matter-of-factly , like it's common knowledge lol
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    merriman never said implied it was an illegal advantage, he simply stated something , he didn't even say they cheated
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    Well, they did. The disagreement seems to be over how severe the violation was and whether they were punished fairly.

    Though I seem to be playing devil's advocate here, I agree with the majority around here that the severity of the violation has been vastly overstated (mostly dealing with camera placement), and also that the punishment was an obscene overreaction.

    I also think that despite what I may believe, the Patriots are not getting that pick back, even if they should.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    how is this complaining? they won the game there lol

    he's stating it as if it's fact , which would be the only problem
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating


    critical thought ? where does that enter the equation when deciding that taping 8 mins. of the jets equals a first rd. draft pick and being fined $750,000. too bad critical thought wasn't applied then. it's the freaking jets. what was going to be gained from taping those sorry losers ? it's all about ratgina being a vindictive little ****.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    I never said it doesn't go both ways.

    Critical thought was severely lacking both in the initial reaction to Spygate by the league and the media. It's also severely lacking every time we seize on the tiniest little thing like this and ask why nothing is being done. Shawn Merriman (hardly a bastion of integrity) stating something in an internet chat is just about the perfect example of this. Seizing upon the tiniest tidbits and turning them into imagined slights against the Patriots might not be as bad as the league overreacting to 8 minutes of taping, but it's certainly not level-headed either.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    I officially gave up on hoping for critical thinking when the "breaking news" came out that Belichick was taping sidelines back to 2000 and that people were led to believe the practice only took place as far back as 2006 before Specter rode in on his white horse.

    So people (including a US Senator) actually believed that Belichick starting sideline taping in 2006 AFTER a memo was distributed warning about the practice?

    Seriously...Belichick saw the memo, thought about it and THEN decided it was a good idea to tape opponents' sidelines. It took further investigation to determine the shocking news that Belichick was doing it BEFORE the memo was distributed. I'm waiting for Specter to come out next week with the news that his crack team of investigators determined that the memo was sent out BECAUSE Belichick was already taping.

    I think the US educational system needs some oversight. Looking into the qualifications to be a US Senator wouldn't hurt either.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    :yeahthat: Very well said. It was commonly accepted around here (and pretty much everywhere) that this practice had been going back at least a little while (at the very minimum, it had to have been occurring when Mangini was on the staff for him to know about it) and yet suddenly it was like a brand new revelation that the Patriots had been doing it a while.

    No matter what angle you look at this situation from, it's a veritable shmorgasboard of idiocy.
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    Re: OT: Shawne Merriman accuse the Seahawks of cheating

    As a devoted fan of the Patriots I WILL NEVER LET IT GO! The fines I could give 2 craps about, but taking the 31st pick away and allowing every major news outlet to villify my team as frauds and cheaters can be summed up in one word: UNACCEPTABLE!!

    All kinds of shady behaviour goes on in this league. Teams before and teams after us will be disciplined but it will NEVER be on a scale as we've recently seen. Mangini opened Pandora's Box and Goodell bumbled and fumbled it until it became "that smell in the car you can't get rid of".

    Spygate has reached the epic porportions of Communist spies, Nazi collaborators and Fundamentalist Muslim terrorists. We must protect America from the Patriots!(talk about oxy-morons)

    It's ABSOLUTELY FCUKING RIDICULOUS!!!

    Every example of every team's shady and nefarious behaviour should NOT be swept under the rug. It should be pointed out and exposed so we can all roll our collective eyes at the hypocrisy.
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    lol... a Cheater pointing out a cheater... Hey shawne! where did your credibility go?
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