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    ...with where they are after fixing the receiver position and getting Adalius Thomas," NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth says.

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    Reportedly, the Pats dominated discussions at the owners meetings regarding which teams rebuilt best since the SB. Here's the article containing the above quote.
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    It's nice to win the Daniel Synder free agency award. But the draft is what's really going to put the Patriots ahead of the rest of the NFL.
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    Out of our FA signees, only Welker and Morris looks like potential oversigns - the others either came for a (relatively) reasonable price (Thomas) or with a year for the Patriots to test drive before buying (Stallworth, Washinton). There's nothing Snyder-esque about our offseason from where I sit.
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    Excellent read all around.

    I think what stands us in such good stead is while others have had or may continue to have limited success standing firm in one approach, whether by choice or born of financial necessity, this franchise instead has carefully worked constantly to position itself to be a chameleon on and off the field poised to do whatever it takes on any given Sunday or in any given off season. When you think you have us figured out, think again. And attempt to pidgeonhole us at your own peril. :D
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    I think the Welker and Morris signings are classic BB & Pioli - sign someone who plays well against your team and weaken another division rival in the process. I have no problem with this. It should help our Special teams and provide key backups at a minimum.
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    I was going to try and explain why the Patriots spent alot of money this offseason but then I actually read the article and they said it better than I ever could. Did you read the article? Besides in order to win the Daniel Snyder free agency award you need to:

    a.) Consistenly get big name free agents every single year.
    b.) Consistently pay said agents to much every year.
    c.) Consistently give away draft picks to sign restricted free agents or franchised players.
    d.) Consistently not listen to coaches who recommend not getting said free agents.
    e.) Every once in a while make a really bonehead move like trading one of, (if not the best) CB in the league for a running back.
    f.) Getting big named free agents to join your team when you have different needs than the player can give you. (i.e. trying to get Briggs when they need more help at other positions than linebacker.)

    Now you know what it takes to win the award.

    But I do agree that a team needs to have the ability to draft well to consistently be great.
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    You fail to mention that they also had Ledall Betts who is a better fit for that offense.
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    I don't think Archives was trying to pin Snyder's tail on our donkey
    ... so much as he was pointing out that it remains, after all, only early April.

    We've liked our Chad Browns and David Terrells and all that before. But
    the proof of the pudding ... still comes in September thru January.
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    Then I demand a smiley face after the Snyder comment! (Just Kidding)
    I meant to add in a, "I don't know if you are joking or not" comment but forgot it. I just get a bit irritated when anyone compares the Patriots to the Redskins and they actually think it is true. The teams could not be further apart when it comes to managing their respective rosters.
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    One can never have "too much" talent at any position. Plenty of room for all....
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    Do you really think Polian is shaking in his boots? man I hope so. The image is funny. :) But I think the Colts right now are very confident because they have the experience of getting that Lombardi and finally defeating NE in the postseason. The real question is will the Colts now have the "down year" that haunts most defending champs?
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    Well both players looked like All-Stars when they played us so at a minimum we should be able to avoid the annual melt-down game in Miami this year (as long as we kidnap JT before the game). And who knows? Winning that could be the difference between playing the Colts at home or in Indy like this year.

    I'm convinced that Welker is a Troy Brown/Wayne Chrebet clone so I'm not worried about that money spent. On the other hand, I wonder if we think we are buying the Buffalo era Sammy Morris as opposed to the Miami era version. I think that he has real bust potential. Welker is going to be a tremendous fan favorite.
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    Uh, have they strengthened themselves in the off-season (the Colts, I mean)?
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    Well yes, according to most Colt trolls, er fans, all of their free agent losses are actually making them better......
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    Thanks. Tremendous read!
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    Sorry, you have misunderstood what I was saying. Usually teams that sign a lot of big name free agents, are compared to the Redskins. Don't get me wrong, I love the signings the Pats have made so far and each one of them has made sense. They didn't overpay for Thomas because he could have taken even more money in SF. Stallorth and Washington are low risk/high reward type of deals.
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    Sorry for the misunderstanding. I read the article and it was a good one. I didn't mean to compare the Pats to the Redskins in terms of throwing money at free agents. What I meant was, it's only April and the Pats still have the draft to look foward to. I really like the new additions at WR and of course, Adalius Thomas. Although the Pats may have given to much for Welker, he will prove very valuable in the return game and slot receiver role. Welker is a younger, faster version of Troy Brown.
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    I agree, right now this roster is laoded. It'll be just plain amazing if we add fast youth to our defense :]
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    You know our draft: We'll add something, somewhere.

    History suggests, something good. And we have two swipes at the first round.

    I do agree w/Collinsworth; but you gotta be kiddin me... I have to wait 5 months to see what this actually means ON THE FIELD???

    Eh well. Let's just say, the FO put them in a position to win.

    PFnV
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    What he said.
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    I can totally agree with that assessment. On paper we look very good but you are right, it is just April and things can happen. I was joking with a fellow Pats fan at work the other day and asked him, "When did George Steinbrenner buy the Patriots?". (I realize there is no salary cap in baseball but you catch my gist.) The Pats did throw alot of money around in the offseason but I kind of look at it as 'well aimed money" so to speak. With Snyder it is more of a whoever catches the money gets the contract type of deal.

    Hope fully the Pats will have an excellent draft as well because there are still a few holes to fill. The one good thing by getting all of these new guys is that most likely one of the 1st rounders will be a need pick and the other will be a best type available type of pick. The latest drafts always seems to have someone fall further than they really should. Every wide receiver or QB for example that gets picked before the Pats choose is letting someone they want fall closer.
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    IMO, we now have to bite the bullet and cut a deal with Samuel, and, as if we needed any motivation, dedicate the season to the memory of Darryl Stingley.
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    I completely agree re: Morris. He's nothing more than a vet minimum JAG. Justin Griffith is younger, faster, cheaper, and cleaner.
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    Hear, hear.
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    Chris Collinsworthless as we like to call him on IndyStar is one of, if not the biggest Pat homer . Funny he's not even from the boston area is he?
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    That's funny because I remember when Collinsworth used to pick against the Pats all the time. It is only in the last 2 or 3 years that he has begun to understand how the Pats organization is run. Patriots needed an upgrade at the linebacking and receiving position. So they went out and got it done. What is wrong with with a media person respecting that? Are you just jealous because the Colts did absolutely nothing so far? You sound pretty bitter to me.

    You are showing signs of being the typical Colts fan who throws a hissy fit if any other team than the Colts gets praise from the media. Go back to the Indystar and keep patting each other on the back. Or you could start another Brady vs Manning thread and post pictures of coaches with man boobs like you guys so often do.
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    I don't know about Collisnworth, but there sure are "homers" in the media for nearly every team. The Colts have a few homers out there too who kept saying "its the Colts year"...

    Of course they'd been saying that for the last 6 years when the Pats had 3 SBs and the Colts had none too - so generally the talking heads pick a team and say those things, and eventually they hope they will be right.

    Of course the Pats "homers" in the press have been right 50% of the time over the last 6 years - so I guess they're justified!
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    Collinsworth is one of the most knowledgeable media guys around. He's good with X's and O's and gameday analysis. He's not afraid to call players out, either. Calling him a Pats homer is merely an admission of your own homerism.
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    Collinsworthless is a tool and you guys know it. "Essentially had the Colts beat until the miraculous second half comeback"!! WTF!!???? Well, we essentially beat them, until they beat us.

    What about the more than miraculous 4th quarter INT for a first down?? Granted, 6 and some change on the clock, but IMO, that ball gets batted down, and NE flies home for good.

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