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  1. JoeShmoe

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    Have to say I think this combination is really working

    McCourty looks good at FS and is an upgrade over Ihedigbo.

    Moore has been a revelation and interesting how he was lined up over Demayrius Thomas for most of the game and covered him brilliantly

    Hope we stick with this going forward. With Dowling to come back into the mix and likely some offseasn additions the the group is really gelling
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    Yes and no. McD is better in the passing game and Ihedigbo is more of a SS. Two different safeties really.

    Agree. Moore just seems to be around the ball a lot.

    It'll be interesting to see moving forward. Would not be suprised if they draft another DB or two as they always do.:D
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    I liked it too, its something new which gives OC something extra to think about when playing us!
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    I love how Sterling Moore has progressed but I hope we can get another S to pair with Chung. McCourty is a CB and good one. He had a horrible year but there was a lot of bad CB this year. The two corners who gave up the most yds this year were Travon Williams and McCourty. Both were pro bowlers last year. Not saying that this explains his terribleness but this is a league wide problem. The true test will be next year. If he continues to suck then yeah a move to S should be considered.
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    As much as there have been issues in the D Backfield, there has been comparable progress.. last night they played like beasts.

    We have the skeleton of a very good d backfield, with a couple of pieces missing.
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    Arrington and DMc are the key pieces. I agree. Another top-end CB and SS are needed.
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    Don't forget Dowling as a wild card. He's a big talent with positional flexibility, if he can get on the field.
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    Agreed on Dowling. Not sure what kind of DB he will be.

    With that said, BB will still draft a DB. Always does. Always will. :D
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    McCourty played well out of position at safety, though he did take a poor angle on that one completion to Thomas who turned it up the field for a big gain past Arrington and McCourty. There were a few poor angles in run support as well though I don't recall if he was playing safety or corner at the time, but I plan on re-watching the game (not just for this, but because it was FREAKING AWESOME). :D

    But for all the flack he's taken, I still think a lot of McCourty is a solid corner and most of his issues have been due to the lack of competent safety play. Quite often, there's no one else in the picture, and he's forced to cover both inside and outside routes. I think this is why BB has never benched him, while Arrington has sat at times when struggling in coverage.

    Moore looks really promising. I was concerned about him being burned by a double move because of his aggressiveness, but there was one route I saw where he played it extremely well. I never saw contract details for him, though Reiss has his contract running to the end of next season.

    I don't think this will be the configuration for next season, though I wouldn't be surprised to see us pull it out from time to time to confuse a QB. But hopefully we have a better option at safety than Ihedigbo/Brown next season.

    Wasn't there some talk of Dowling potentially being converted? I know jays52 is high on Edelman as an option.
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    So far so good. I'm starting to be a big believer in Sterling Moore. If he can contribute enough to take us to the super bowl and win it why would anyone want to draft another CB? I'm reserving judgment until the playoffs are over to see if this guy is emerging as much as I think he has. Think about it, look how far Moore has progressed considering how little experience he has had at cb. He's like a sponge eating up knowledge and applying it to the position every game. Very exciting times right now.
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    What portion of the snaps was McCourty at FS?
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    When the defensive line and LBs are playing the way they did last night, the backfield will look good. That was a dominant performance against a bunch of guys who looked in awe of the situation. That crappy option offense was bogus going into this game. Most of the QB pressures and sacks were just all-out dominance by the front seven, or Tebow unable to see his progression at all.

    Next week's opponent will be a major upgrade offensively even with Flacco or Yates - both pocket passers who see progressions and who can get it out of there quickly.

    It's good to get a playoff win under their belts, but the defensive backfield is what it's been all season: very young and learning.
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    FYI, Moore is a rookie so they control his rights for 4 years.
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    Arrington is the most quintessential Patriot since Bru and Troy. Guy came up from nowhere and has basically been playing every snap since replacing Butler in week 2 of last season.

    Let's not get too worked up about anyone in the backfield except Chung. They basically all have flaws and defensing the worst passing QB in the SB era really isn't a good barometer to make claims about their competency.

    Fortunately, Yates or Flacco and then Smith would be a very, very favorable road for this secondary.
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    It looked to me like he played corner exclusively in the base, and when we went to nickel or dime he moved to safety.
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    I would like to see McCourty stay at Safety for the long term, and if he does I think the position is fixed with he and Chung as the starters, although they still will need better depth. Moore has played well and Arrington is a good CB, so overall the secondary is in the best shape we have seen all year. I have alot of hope that they can turn this defense into one of the better units in foot ball over the next year with a good offseason.
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    I was really surprised when McCourty was drafted and used as a CB because of all the success Belichick has had with low drafted corners and high skill safeties.

    No matter how good a corner is, safeties cover more field, and their position is more symmetrical. I never bought in to the whole "shut down half of the field" argument for shutdown corners.

    So I'm happy to see McCourty well used at safety, especially with questionable talent at the safety position.
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    I still want McCourty at CB after this year. Moore on the other hand is a keeper. He has amazingly flexible hips that give him the ability to turn on a dime and as I have said many times, he's the one DB in our defense that does not give any 10 yard cushions to his WRs. He sticks to them like glue.

    With him back there, this defense is different.
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    So suppose the Patriots could actually get Arrington, Chung, Dowling, McCourty and Moore all healthy and active for game 1 next year.

    How does that backfield look to you? Who would you start where? And what kind of pieces would you want to add to complete the puzzle?
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    This is obviously on the optimistic side that Dowling comes back good and Moore continues his impressive play.

    Starting CBs: Dowling and Moore
    Nickel Back: Arrington
    Free Safety: Mccourty
    Strong Safety: Chung

    That could be a very strong secondary, Dowling being the X Factor.
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    For what it's worth Bruschi doesn't like McCorty at safety. Not sure if last night changed his mind. Clearly he knows more football than any of us but I don't agree with him. I'd still rather he returns to 2010 form where he was a top corner but if not safety is a real option.
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    That's good to know. I thought that only applied to drafted rookies? So would Moore be a RFA for the last two seasons then?
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    RasI was playing Safety (before he got hurt), as well..
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    Sure, if Dowling comes back at 100% and McCourty improves, we will have a reasonable secondary with ZERO backups, except for special teamer Ihedigbo (a great pickup).

    IMHO, we will bring in 2-4 defensive backs. After all, we have listed 6 defensive backs. We carry 8-10.

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    ...which is why I asked "what kind of pieces would you want to add to complete the puzzle?"

    The intriguing question to me isn't how many but who, given the positional flexibility of a number of the current db's. E.g. suppose they could snag a Dashon Goldson. What's your backfield, in base & nickel? Or suppose instead a top CB fell to them in the draft. Who do you start at safety opposite Chung?
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    We have six defensive backs with considerable position flexibility. Dowling is an unknown, as all who return for IR (especially those who spent their rookie year on IR). I suppose, we must include Barrett as a #7.

    How can we decide the best positions for our defensive backs? I think that we will bring in who we can and go from there.

    I don't see Arrington or Chung having position flexibility.

    I could see Belichick being fine with picking up no corner or even no safety. We need at least one for 2012, as injury protection for Dowling.


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    I actually expect them to draft at least one and probably two DB's. The OLB/DE (depending on on the 3-4 or 4-3) group could benefit from some additional support, but I will never ever again assume or expect (or even hope) that they will draft players in these positions. It almost never happens, so if it does, it's a pleasant surprise.

    I do hope they draft a beast at Center, though, as I think our O-line has few needs, and a new, young, powerful center would be one of them.
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    IMO there's a tendency to overestimate Dowling's injury risk for next year, and UNDERestimate the injury risk of the rest of the defensive backfield. When was the last time the Patriots didn't place multiple DBs on IR?

    It seems to me that the guy we really need "injury protection" for is Patrick Chung. Chung missed 8 games and had a series of injuries, and his power and skillset is what the current roster offers no replacement for.
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    Last year DMC was a pleasant surprise at corner, especially after Bodden went down, this season he's been disappointing when not facing the ball.

    I like him in the deep backfield as FS, he seems to play the game at a much higher level (at least compared to himself at corner this year) when everything is in front of him and he can be aggressive and take initiative instead of reacting to the WR.

    Moore has also pleasantly surprised at corner, he's seemed to keep tighter to the WR in his limited chances, but he's only played what, 2 or 3 games at corner? He started as a safety with us (and took out McCourty in his first game, lol). Both have great hands and ball skills, as does Arrington, so I want them all out there at the same time whenever possible. Now if Chung can learn to catch ...Chung would probably be leading the league in INTs over the past few seasons if his hands weren't stone, haha, it's also too bad Guyton sucks at everything BUT catching, he had great hands for a LB, made some very acrobatic INTs before falling out of favor.
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