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  1. Patradomous

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    2000 Ravens Defense
    2001 Pats (Defense)
    2002 Tampa (D)
    2003 Pats (D)
    2004 Pats (D)
    2005 Pitt (D)
    2006 Colts (O)
    2007 Giants (D)
    2008 Pitt (D)
    2009 Saints (O)
    2010 Pitt/Packers (D)

    70% of the last ten SB winners were teams could win the game with there Defense and did so.
    The rules have changed over the years in the offenses favor, but its all relative.If they changed the rules to touch football it still comes down to the best defensive touch football team.


    Altogether now.

    What wins championships?
    Defense.

    For some of you guys get through your head until the Pats are a top ten defense they have virtually no shot at winning
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Balanced teams win championships.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    I think it might be reaching to call the Packers a defensive team. Do they have a good defense? Definitely (and one that's very fun to watch IMO) but I wouldn't put them in the same category as the Steelers or Ravens when it comes to playing defense. When I think Packers first thing that comes to mind is an explosive, pass-based offense
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    THIS!

    This whole defense wins championships thing is getting WAY to ridiculous, the 05' Steelers were handed that SB, clearly the 06' Bears had a WAY better defense then the Indianapolis Colts, but Rex Grossman almost single handily gave Indi that superbowl, Peyton had to work a bit but not when Grossman throws the ball right to the DB's. Pats vs Giants, the Giants were TRULY balanced, sure the front 4 and Spagnulo's playcalling shook up Brady, but if I remember right the Pats had a top 10 defense that year AND beat them once before. Cardinals had a TERRIBLE defense and STILL only lost by what 3 or 4 points. There is NO CB alive that could have guarded that play, the only way to stop it would be for Big Ben not to throw it over that way. The Steelers gave up big plays as well, if Kurt Warner takes more care of the football and DOESN'T throw that pick returned for a TD OR if the Cardinals PAY ATTENTION TO THE RULES, Fitzgerald would have caught Harrison and the Steelers would not have those 7 extra points. Last years Saints FORCED TURNOVERS, and although they passed more, they took care of the football, they didn't go to Shockey ALL the time, the didn't go to Henderson ALL the time, Bush and Thomas got a decent amount of carries. Manning HAS NEVER been as a guy to come from behind, he is known for putting points on the board, and keeps putting points on the board. I was NOT surprised he would blow the game, anybody that was doesn't really know football.

    This is a very good illusion, couldn't it easily be "Offense loses Championships"? I mean its true right, its so much easier to create a gameplan around predictable teams, balanced teams its hard to figure out what they will do.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Great point and I have some very good news. The Patriots will be adding a quality DE, CB, and S to their team next year. I can even give you their names: Ty Warren, Leigh Bodden, and Brandon McGowen. Mike Wright should be back for some quality depth. Ron Brace finally showed us he may be a player, and he'll be back from injury.

    Finally, with the stocked draft situation for the Patriots they MUST draft either a pass rushing DE, OLB, or both.

    I'm greedy though. I also want a stud safety. On offense, perhaps Taylor Price will be a player, and they can add another stud receiver. The O-Line plays great all year, but like the 2007 Super Bowl, they lay an egg in the playoffs. We need at least one more big time offensive lineman. In fact, I really think if they re-sign Light and Mankins, they should still draft one. I like Dan Koppen, but can you imagine this team if they have a road grater center? Finally, watching the Steelers' big bruising back run all over the Jets tells me that we could use one of them too! :)

    All that said, if we go strong on defense in the draft, this team will be hard to beat, provided they draft well for the second year in a row.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    The Packers defense only gave up 240 points all year, second only to the Steelers 232. Both teams are in the Super Bowl. I respectfully disagree with you. They are definitely a defensive team. With such a great QB, folks overlook that, but that's what got them here.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    I listed the Colts as an offensive team that did win.

    All your points are valid but you can win with a mediocre offense if you have a great defense.(See pats 01)
    Your chances are slim and none if the opposite is true.

    Your yesterdays winners were decided by defensive pressure and points.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Except that Saints and the Colts both had mediocre defenses and great offenses and won. So it happens as well. It isn't the best defense that wins every year. It is typically the best overall team, with the best depth and a little luck.

    Your winners yesterday were decided by who could score more points than the other. Offense, defense, special teams.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Exept is short for exception. There are exeptions for every rule.
    Regardless as a rule defenses play and win for championships.

    If you were to bet 100K on the better defensive team over the last ten years you could retire today.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    These teams speak more to balance than they do to pure defense. Of all those teams, only the Ravens had an anemic offense.

    How many of those teams did not have a top 5 offense with a strong running game? A good running game that kills the clock can be just as effective as a good defense in keeping the score down through time of possession.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    The exception with the 2006 Colts is odd in that their awful regular season defense played GREAT in the postseason, largely CARRYING their offense.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Uh, you need to go back and look at how the Patriots defense won that Super Bowl in 2003. They gave up 29 points in 30 minutes, while the passing offense set Super Bowl records that have not yet been broken. The Patriots offense won the Super Bowl in 2003, not the defense.

    This year, watch the Packers offense win it.

    Plus, the Patriots D is #8 this year in points allowed, not far off from the #2 or 3 position they used to be in back then.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Just as mediocre offenses and great defenses winning are also an exception.

    As for betting on the better defensive team over the last ten years, I don't think it is as sure of a bet as you think it is. The trend is especially noticeable since the Polian rule changes.

    2009 Lost
    2008 Won
    2007 Lost
    2006 Lost
    2005 Won
    2004 Tied
    2003 Won
    2002 Won
    2001 Lost
    2000 Won
    1999 Won
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    This is a huge point that usually gets forgotten in these discussions. The Saints D also rushed the passer well and make a lot of big plays in the playoffs.
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    Pats are number 8 ..puhleese.There #8 when the offense plays like #1.If the offense played at the defenses level they wouldn't have made the playoffs...don't forget #32 D 3rd down conversion.

    [QUOTE the Polian rule changes.

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    Like I saidI don't care if they change the rules to touch football its reletive point.You have to play at the top of the league in defense in playoffs to win the poilian rules apply to everybody.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Actually, the Saints had the 3rd best pass defense in 2009 (68.6 rating). They were all offense in other years, but in 2009 they actually had a very good defense.

    In 2006, the Colts allowed the 2nd fewest passing yards (2548). Which is surprising, since they didn't play particulary well against the pass (80.4 rating, more than the league avg).

    Good defenses are defenses that can stop the pass, because passing well is more relevant to winning football games than running well. And both the Colts and the Saints did that well enough during their Super Bowl runs to win it all.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    Recent history says otherwise. The fact of the matter is that there isn't a single formula to win a superbowl. The best way is to be great in all three phases of the game.
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    Both were in the bottom half of the league in points allowed. I think their pass defense stats are probably boosted by the fact that they were often ahead and could focus on the pass more than the run. I do agree that both passing and stopping the pass however are critical in winning football games in the playoffs.
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    Like I saidI don't care if they change the rules to touch football its reletive point.You have to play at the top of the league in defense in playoffs to win the poilian rules apply to everybody.[/QUOTE]

    Oh, I forgot, you're right, no other team's stats are influenced by complimentary football.

    Did you forget that Belichick will give up yards but not points?

    In the Colts-Jets game, I saw Manning go up top to Garcon for a bomb. When is the last time you saw Manning do something like that to the Patriots? Right there, that tells you the difference between Belichick's defense and Ryan's. Belichick will not allow you to beat him over the top, and the defense gives up fewer points because they allow the short stuff and shut down the bombs.

    I also see you didn't address my point about the Patriots offense winning the Super Bowl in 2003.
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    Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

    I don't give a F about the points scored in 2003. Balt and Pitt scored 50 something points last week.
    Are they offensive or defensive teams?.....thank you

    And so weren't the Panthers and Patriots in 2003.
    And thanks for making my point.Defensive teams scoring a crap load of points is more of an abboration than highpowered offences being shutdown in the playoffs.
    Once again your pointing to the exception rather than the rule.
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