Here come the "Goodell Loves The Pats" screams again - no Suspension for Kaczur

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  1. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract - NO SUSPENSION FOR KACZUR


  2. jgpatriot

    jgpatriot Practice Squad Player

    Well, then point out that the Jet who scored the game winning touchdown gift from Buffalo was arrested with possession of mary-jane. Yet, he has not been even sent to the principal's office at all.
  3. jcdavey

    jcdavey In the Starting Line-Up

    turns out a pat is a snitch

    i bet they get rid of him in the offseason
  4. 363839

    363839 Supporter Supporter

    Oxycontin and Cocaine....hmmmm.....:confused:
    There are people equating these 2 offenses?
  5. Palm Beach Pats Fan

    Palm Beach Pats Fan In the Starting Line-Up

    #12 Jersey

    Isn't it true that drug users in the NFL are not suspended for a first offense? The people suspended have all had their wrists slapped before, I believe.

    Just like if you fail a drug test, nobody knows about it. Fil again and you are in some trouble.
  6. SVN

    SVN Hall of Fame Poster

    my point exactly. Why doesnt florio bring that up ?
  7. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    Yeah, far better to protect those drug dealers :rolleyes:
  8. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Get rid of him, eh?

  9. lostjumper

    lostjumper Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    This is correct. It would seem that this is Kazcur's first drug offense, so he cannot be suspended per the CBA. Of course, no one will mention that and just slam Kazcur...
  10. DarrylS

    DarrylS Supporter Supporter

    It happened in the last off season..
  11. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox Supporter

    #50 Jersey

    Why do you insist on making dumbarse comments like this? If the Patriots were going to part ways with Cassel, they'd have done so prior to the start of the season.

    The difference between Jones and Kaczur is that Kazcur wasn't actively taking the pills (ie literally popping them in his mouth) when he was arrested. Unlike Jones who was actively cutting the coke in his car when he was arrested.

    As for "being a snitch," its amazing how people like yourself get all high and mighty when someone realizes they've done something wrong and decides to clean up their act and help prevent others from going down the same path they ended up on.
  12. Pujo

    Pujo Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Yes, the offenses are identical, both being Schedule II drugs in the US. Both are heavily abused with serious negative consequences. It would be very hard to say whether one is worse than the other.

    Whatever factors made these cases different, I doubt that the drugs in question being different had much to do with it.
  13. Pujo

    Pujo Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    What do you know about Cassel that the rest of us don't? ;)
  14. upstater1

    upstater1 Pro Bowl Player

    It's not that hard.

    One is a pain killer prescribed by doctors, legal in many cases. The other is an illegal drug.

    So, presumably, one might be prescribed Oxy and then become addicted. That being said, it's clear Kaczur was abusing the drug much as someone would abuse cocaine, so in that sense, you're right.
  15. Pujo

    Pujo Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Cocaine can be prescribed, which is why it's schedule II and not schedule I. It's not used much since there are more alternatives (lidocaine, benzocaine, etc) for it than for opioids, but it's still sometimes used as a topical ointment. In a way, opioids like oxycontin are actually a lot worse because their physical addiction potential is far greater than cocaine's. But there ain't much difference in the eyes of the law.
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  16. 363839

    363839 Supporter Supporter

    That's surprising, not shocking but surprising.
    As upstater points out, one is a prescribed med and the other
    is a street drug but I understand what you're saying that in the eyes of the law they're equal and both are equally harmful. Still....doesn't Matt have a case that the Doctor prescribing this drug to him bears some responsibility for his addiction? I mean after all he is a professional. Doesn't/shouldn't the law recognize this?
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  17. T-ShirtDynasty

    T-ShirtDynasty Moderator

    No, as Pujo points out, they're both prescribed drugs (as well as both being street drugs), hence the Schedule II. The difference here is that Kazcur was not convicted.
  18. NJPatsfan26

    NJPatsfan26 In the Starting Line-Up

    #12 Jersey

    Makes you wonder if the jest that won the game for them was suspended.....the jest would have lost???:confused::confused:
  19. 363839

    363839 Supporter Supporter

    I didn't know that oxycontin was popular in the streets now.
    I gotta get out more.:p
  20. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    Has any NFL player ever been suspended for abusing pain-killers? IMO, it's a can of worms that the league doesn't want to open. I'm sure any player with a good legal team could file suit against the NFL if suspended, claiming that the rigors of the NFL forced the team to prescribe him painkillers so he could still get on the field, and this lead him to an addiction.

    The player wouldn't even need to win his case for this to be a mess for the NFL, as the bad publicity alone would be a nightmare for the NFL. IMO, painkillers are the league's dirty little secret and they will continue to look the other way on cases like this.
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