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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I'm assuming you mean an ABrown without the crazy.Malik Washington will be an All-pro WR soon. I see a young Antonio Brown. He can play the slot as well as out wide. Top 3 in the nation vs man coverage.
QB's ALWAYS seem to rise as we get closer and closer to the draft. Kenny Picket is a perfect example.Since the combine it seems more players are getting rated higher. For example, this horizontal board from Rob Staton only had 20 first round talents before the combine and 25 now. You're in the range at 23 where the first-round talent thins out and depending on the team you may find some that think there are only 20 and some think there are 30.
McCarthy was in a Pro style offense, has elite athleticism, a very strong arm, and is young.I don't see the love for this guy.
Maybe just a typo but he turned 21 in January. Him and Maye are the young kids of the class.And finally McCarthy turned 20 in January.
Yeah, that’s why I said young AB.I'm assuming you mean an ABrown without the crazy.
There's a reason Caserio traded out of that spot.
Maybe just a typo but he turned 21 in January. Him and Maye are the young kids of the class.
DITTO on this! If there was not that report saying Adam Peters is "really into" Drake Maye I'd be really excited as the general scouting consensus has Daniels jumping Maye. I love Maye as a franchise QB.Anyways he sold me, so I get all jazzed when I hear Maye critics, which I hope will drop him to #3
QB's ALWAYS seem to rise as we get closer and closer to the draft. Kenny Picket is a perfect example.
Personally I saw a 30min clip from one draft guru who claimed Maye was HIS #1 QB in this draft and laid out a very reasonable defense of that position. Claimed he had a great arm. Good accuracy and part of his the issues his critics bring up was caused by bad receivers and weak OL and the need for him to play "hero ball" to keep his team in games. Very good processor, but not great, but very good (I think he gave him a B+ where B is a good NFL starter.
Anyways he sold me, so I get all jazzed when I hear Maye critics, which I hope will drop him to #3
I'm a huge Alt fan. Bloodlines, traits for days, very young and extremely versatile. There's a small gap between him and the next OL. My scale loves Mims too. He graded very high.It definitely hurts a team like the Pats….ie. strong roster on defense, but lots of holes on offense…..that this draft is relatively devoid of blue chip defensive players. 9 out of the first 10 players, or even potentially 1-10 could be offensive players. I agree that it is risky to drop to 11 because of that. You’d have to hope that two of Turner, Arnold and Mitchell get picked in the top 10. If they got unlucky in the regard, Bowers would be a consideration at 11.
Alt wouldn’t be a sexy pick but he seems like the safest bet of any player in this years draft to be a high level starter for the next decade, and at a premium position no less. I’d be ok with them missing out on the top 3 WRs as long as they are able to snag Thomas later in the first. He may end up being this year’s JJ.
I wrote about Maye a while back and talked about his mechanics. I promised and failed @DaBruinz a few times. Tonight , some time I'm going to post a few games and point out what I mean when i say "mechanics" , specifically his footwork. Just been smoked with work, at work now and was just asked to stay later. Just hard finding time but I like Maye a lot and think he'll grade out QB1 for me.QB's ALWAYS seem to rise as we get closer and closer to the draft. Kenny Picket is a perfect example.
Personally I saw a 30min clip from one draft guru who claimed Maye was HIS #1 QB in this draft and laid out a very reasonable defense of that position. Claimed he had a great arm. Good accuracy and part of his the issues his critics bring up was caused by bad receivers and weak OL and the need for him to play "hero ball" to keep his team in games. Very good processor, but not great, but very good (I think he gave him a B+ where B is a good NFL starter.
Anyways he sold me, so I get all jazzed when I hear Maye critics, which I hope will drop him to #3
Not only does Daniels frame and build concern me, but as you stated, although he's known as a deep throw passer, he struggles with short area ones. The primary reason for this is: He doesn't have a strong arm (one could argue it's no stronger than Mac Jones arm was). When a QB has 2 WR's who are legit 1st round talents like Daniels had, those 2 guys pretty much always got open, especially deep. Remember when Brady had Moss. He just had to heave it even remotely near him and more often than not he'd come down with the ball. Just because a QB has excelled in throwing deep, does not mean that he has elite arm strength. Brady did have ridiculous velocity on his short and intermediate passes. Maye does have elite arm strength and can reach any level of the field with ease. He does need some coaching regarding his throwing motion and footwork, but everything else is there. And, he didn't have anywhere near the talent on offense that all of the other QB's in the draft who are considered 1st and 2nd round picks had. Imagine what Maye could have done with the talent that Daniels had at LSU and Penix Jr. at Washington? Or even Nix at Oregon and McCarthy at Michigan? Sit Maye for his rookie year, coach him up and correct any flaws, and have talent from this years draft, and next years FA period and draft, and then unleash him on the NFL. And, he'll still be quite young NFL age-wise in his 2nd year.McCarthy was in a Pro style offense, has elite athleticism, a very strong arm, and is young.
McCarthy's 3cone and Shuttle were Top 3. Not Top 3 among QBs, but Top 3 among everyone as he beat out almost all WRs. Extremely rare short area quickness to work the pocket and scramble. His speed throwing the football was 61 mph (Milton with his "bazooka" for an arm throw at 62 mph), again very impressive arm strength. Finally if McCarthy played in a college system and was allowed to improvise and run around, he would have "looked" better. Instead he played in a Pro system and won a national championship. Transitioning to a Pro system is very hard for a college QB, McCarthy did it quite well - look at his completion stats. He clearly is not great at intermediate to deep passes to his left. And finally McCarthy turned 20 in January. He is young with a lot of upside and showed a lot of maturity.
McCarthy is a great prospect, but not perfect. Maye has accuracy problems. Daniels is slight and, while he throws a great deep ball, struggles with short area passes. Maye and Daniels both played in a simple college system and there is no way to project how they will do in a NFL based system.
That is all correct, but when you convert Maye from a college based offensive scheme to a pro scheme, very few people can predict the results. With McCarthy you already know how he operates in a pro scheme, therefore it is significantly easier to project if you can "coach him up". Coaching someone up is a lot harder than it looks as evidenced by all of the QB busts.Not only does Daniels frame and build concern me, but as you stated, although he's known as a deep throw passer, he struggles with short area ones. The primary reason for this is: He doesn't have a strong arm (one could argue it's no stronger than Mac Jones arm was). When a QB has 2 WR's who are legit 1st round talents like Daniels had, those 2 guys pretty much always got open, especially deep. Remember when Brady had Moss. He just had to heave it even remotely near him and more often than not he'd come down with the ball. Just because a QB has excelled in throwing deep, does not mean that he has elite arm strength. Brady did have ridiculous velocity on his short and intermediate passes. Maye does have elite arm strength and can reach any level of the field with ease. He does need some coaching regarding his throwing motion and footwork, but everything else is there. And, he didn't have anywhere near the talent on offense that all of the other QB's in the draft who are considered 1st and 2nd round picks had. Imagine what Maye could have done with the talent that Daniels had at LSU and Penix Jr. at Washington? Or even Nix at Oregon and McCarthy at Michigan? Sit Maye for his rookie year, coach him up and correct any flaws, and have talent from this years draft, and next years FA period and draft, and then unleash him on the NFL. And, he'll still be quite young NFL age-wise in his 2nd year.
Agreed. If we can't get Maye (who should sit his rookie season), we should get McCarthy (who also should sit his rookie season). I'm in that minority of fans who believes that if brought along properly and given the supporting cast on offense for when they start their 2nd year, that McCarthy has the potential to not only be a true #1 QB, but has Franchise QB potential (as I also believe the same with Maye). The problem with trading back and acquiring more assets in this draft and the next while also getting McCarthy, is that there are at least 2 teams that will gladly move up in front of us to get McCarthy if we do trade back (even with one of those picks that we acquire being between 5 and 7). I'll even go out on a limb and call my shot now: McCarthy could be the QB steal of this draft (and of drafts of the past several years). But, Maye also could be as well.That is all correct, but when you convert Maye from a college based offensive scheme to a pro scheme, very few people can predict the results. With McCarthy you already know how he operates in a pro scheme, therefore it is significantly easier to project if you can "coach him up". Coaching someone up is a lot harder than it looks as evidenced by all of the QB busts.
That’s another reason why a trade down is so tempting.It's been stated that there will be WR's in this draft that have the talent and potential of WR's that you would usually have to get in the 2nd round of most drafts, especially those that turned out to be the likes of Metcalf, Brown, Samuel, Higgins, and Pittman Jr. So, we had better hope that our scouting staff is up to the task at identifying and acquiring such a WR or WR's as the case may be, both in this draft inspecific and future drafts in general.
Your premise is sound. However, in this draft, if there's to be a possible solid OT prospect (depending on how many are taken in the 1st round), you'll have to grab one at #34 (hopefully Patrick Paul). Because after that, it becomes much more of a "crap shoot" talent wise at OT. And, this is a serious area of need for rebuilding the offense. Especially to give our new QB a solid OL in his first year as a starter (which will hopefully be in his 2nd season after sitting his rookie year).That’s another reason why a trade down is so tempting.
maybe you take your QB at 3 and trade the early second round pick?