Could Flowers, Grissom and R. Johnson threaten C. Jones' future with the Pats?

[PP2]

Look at it this way: we have Hightower and Collins whose contracts will be up in a couple years. Both players are a higher priority than Chandler, and would be tough to replace. Meanwhile, we have 2-3 candidates at defensive end right now in Flowers, Grissom, and Johnson who could take his role if he were to leave.

Correction: Jones, Hightower, and Collins all have contracts that expire after 2016, but your point is a very solid one.

We will not be able to retain all three if they keep on playing at a high level. Interior LB is a very tough position to develop in our system, and so priority will probably be to retain Hightower and Collins, leaving Jones on the outside looking in (as outside rushers are easier to develop).

Look for Jones to be traded before his contract expires, if talks quickly go nowhere.

 

[supafly]

Which teams would be interested in expending a high pick to trade for Chandler Jones?

I suppose the two that immediately jump out to me are the Giants who need JPP insurance and the 49ers who lost Aldon Smith.

One other question. If the Patriots were in the market for a pass rusher, would you endorse giving up a future high pick for Chandler Jones?

I don't believe that Jones commands anything higher than a 2nd/3rd round pick right now. He has a high ceiling, but has been rather inconsistent and still shows signs of weakness in some areas.

No reason to have this discussion in my opinion, as he's still here for two more seasons. A determination can be made based on his progress this upcoming season.

 

[supafly]

No, but Seymour was in a dramatically different point in his career and wasn't still on a rookie contract.

Not to mention the fact that Seymour was also the game's best 3-4 DE at the time of the deal AND Oakland probably still overpaid by a round.

Chandler Jones is hardly going to command a first round pick at this current point. A second maybe, but definitely not a first. Those picks are reserved for "elite" players, and while he's shown promise, I do not believe that he fits that grouping.

 

[Marinlik]

It could certainly be a threat to Ninkovich after his contract is over, because he will be old be nfl standards.

Many here seems desperate go replace Chandler as soon as possible. But they seems to forget that Ninkovich is at that age when his play can drop off quickly

 

[Mack Herron]

Chandler Jones is hardly going to command a first round pick at this current point. A second maybe, but definitely not a first. Those picks are reserved for "elite" players, and while he's shown promise, I do not believe that he fits that grouping.

The first pick in the second round maybe?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't believe that Jones commands anything higher than a 2nd/3rd round pick right now. He has a high ceiling, but has been rather inconsistent and still shows signs of weakness in some areas.

No reason to have this discussion in my opinion, as he's still here for two more seasons. A determination can be made based on his progress this upcoming season.

He's an edge rusher from a SB Champion who when healthy is a double digit sack guy. He was very good in the playoffs and is still young.

If he was on the open market he would have been paid a ton.

I think he is a 1st rounder right now. Maybe two second rounders.

 

[manxman2601]

I don't believe that Jones commands anything higher than a 2nd/3rd round pick right now. He has a high ceiling, but has been rather inconsistent and still shows signs of weakness in some areas.

No reason to have this discussion in my opinion, as he's still here for two more seasons. A determination can be made based on his progress this upcoming season.

I agree. I just wanted to ask whether Patriot fans would trade a first for Jones if the foot was on the other foot. I wouldn't personally.

 

[Love The Drake]

Would you trade Chandler Jones for a Joe Haden?

 

[Mack Herron]

Would you trade Chandler Jones for a Joe Haden?

If they trade a big contract to create cap room, it will most likely be for draft picks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Would you trade Chandler Jones for a Joe Haden?

As a straight up 1:1 in a heartbeat.

Haden's contract is "reasonable" for a Top 5 CB.

Not sure the Pats can afford it without trimming some salaries somewhere.

 

[supafly]

I think he is a 1st rounder right now. Maybe two second rounders.

Mark Anderson was a recent double digit sack specialist, as was Tully Banta-Cain. That doesn't say nearly as much as you're suggesting.

Chandler Jones has had ONE good season so far where he put up 10+ sacks, and two others where he had totals of six each. All of his seasons have shown inconsistency against the run at times.

To suggest a first round pick or two second round picks is ludicrous in my opinion. I think we can all agree that only a few players on this team would command that kind of compensation, and Chandler Jones is not one of them.

 

[supafly]

Would you trade Chandler Jones for a Joe Haden?

CLE would never do that. They didn't even want Jabal Sheard back at a reasonable price, not to mention the fact that Haden is a top 3-4 CB in this league.

He's also paid as much, and has an expensive contract that we cannot afford.

 

[Love The Drake]

CLE would never do that. They didn't even want Jabal Sheard back at a reasonable price, not to mention the fact that Haden is a top 3-4 CB in this league.

He's also paid as much, and has an expensive contract that we cannot afford.

Sure I understand it was a hypothetical

 

[RobertWeathers]

Mark Anderson was a recent double digit sack specialist, as was Tully Banta-Cain. That doesn't say nearly as much as you're suggesting.

Chandler Jones has had ONE good season so far where he put up 10+ sacks, and two others where he had totals of six each. All of his seasons have shown inconsistency against the run at times.

To suggest a first round pick or two second round picks is ludicrous in my opinion. I think we can all agree that only a few players on this team would command that kind of compensation, and Chandler Jones is not one of them.

Stop. Jones is a vastly superior athlete and player to both of the players you mention.

I also think you underestimate the market for edge rushers - especially ones that come from NE and have kept their nose clean.

He's getting big money here or somewhere else. Just matter of with who and when.

 

[supafly]

Stop. Jones is a vastly superior athlete and player to both of the players you mention.

I also think you underestimate the market for edge rushers - especially ones that come from NE and have kept their nose clean.

He's getting big money here or somewhere else. Just matter of with who and when.

I'm pointing out that having "double digit sacks" (1 out of 3 yrs) isn't quite what you're making it out to be by showing you the low level of talent that has recently achieved that here. I'm not claiming that Jones is on the same level as those players.

However, his value has yet to be determined, so the next 2 seasons will show if he's anywhere the elite player that you're suggesting.

At the moment, he's a 2nd round pick at best, and I don't believe that it's really that debatable. You seem to have been won over already and are prepared to hand out a big extension. I fail to see what he has accomplished to warrant that? Time will tell if he is deserving or not. Luckily, we'll know if he's closer to the 6 sack guy whose been weak against the run at times, or the guy you are claiming him to be. There's plenty of time to see a larger sample size.

 

[Kontradiction]

Let's let them play a regular season snap first before we go about discussing this.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm pointing out that having "double digit sacks" (1 out of 3 yrs) isn't quite what you're making it out to be by showing you the low level of talent that has recently achieved that here. I'm not claiming that Jones is on the same level as those players.

However, his value has yet to be determined, so the next 2 seasons will show if he's anywhere the elite player that you're suggesting.

At the moment, he's a 2nd round pick at best, and I don't believe that it's really that debatable. You seem to have been won over already and are prepared to hand out a big extension. I fail to see what he has accomplished to warrant that? Time will tell if he is deserving or not. Luckily, we'll know if he's closer to the 6 sack guy whose been weak against the run at times, or the guy you are claiming him to be. There's plenty of time to see a larger sample size.

Pats think he is worth $7.8m this year. That is his value right now.

Those players were specialists and not every down guys. That is not the case with Jones.

We have different evaluations and market expectationof Jones. Agree to disagree.

 

[Oswlek]

At the moment, he's a 2nd round pick at best, and I don't believe that it's really that debatable.

I gotta agree with this. I think Jones is better than some here think, but you're not going to get a first rounder for him considering his injury history and the fact that he only has one "discount" year remaining.

 

[Joey007]

Correction: Jones, Hightower, and Collins all have contracts that expire after 2016, but your point is a very solid one.

We will not be able to retain all three if they keep on playing at a high level. Interior LB is a very tough position to develop in our system, and so priority will probably be to retain Hightower and Collins, leaving Jones on the outside looking in (as outside rushers are easier to develop).

Look for Jones to be traded before his contract expires, if talks quickly go nowhere.

Next year would probably be a better time for that though IMO. And who knows things could change up until then. For all we know all three could return and other guys end up being the odd men out.

 

[patsfan13]

Chandler Jones has had to play an excessive number of reps the past couple of years and has worn down with the roster additions his reps and Ninkos will be down and they should be more effective later in the season.

If it comes down to numbers his value will be higher he could even have more sacks as a result of fewer reps over the course of the year keeping him fresher. Ninkos age is also a factor.

Fortunatly BB is keeping all these factors in mind.