Cam’s comments after the game - “we’ve still got guys that just don’t get it”

[lancerman]

We'll disagree here. I think they see Cam as a decent guy who is playing poorly and not leading the team to victories.

I think Cam’s washed and he’s not capable of leading any team to victory. However he’s also on a team no QB is going to lead anywhere so everyone’s just making the best of a bad situation

 

[Kontradiction]

To be fair, this wasn't Tom Brady's trainer who Tom worked with every day. Harry's "trainer" is a guy he trains with in the off season with a number of other nfl players. While he may be acting as Harry's mouthpiece, all it takes is to watch one game and see that the problem is Cam, not the wide receivers. The wide receivers may suck, but if the best pass Harry gets from Cam all day is the one that bounces to him, it is kind of tough to judge. The second best pass is one is a cannon thrown high and behind Harry. Cam sucks, he sucks he sucks at throwing. He has no touch, takes forever to wind up, forever to release and can't read defenses. Other than that he is fine.

Cam sucks. Harry sucks. Meyers is a competent #2/3 WR, Byrd is a JAG, Edelman is at the end of his career, the TEs as a group at the worst in the NFL right now. This all needs to work in tandem in order for the passing game to be as inept as it is. It’s not the fault of one player. It’s all bad.

 

[moosekill]

Cam sucks. Harry sucks. Meyers is a competent #2/3 WR, Byrd is a JAG, Edelman is at the end of his career, the TEs as a group at the worst in the NFL right now. This all needs to work in tandem in order for the passing game to be as inept as it is. It’s not the fault of one player. It’s all bad.

I am not really sure if Meyers is a competent 2/3, he may be. When the QB is bad no one is good. Football is a team sport. Last year, Brady looked mediocre. Was it Brady, the WR's, the TE's, the o'line, the running back, the play calling, or a combination of all of them? Cam isn't the only problem, but DAMN he looks really really bad.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am not really sure if Meyers is a competent 2/3, he may be. When the QB is bad no one is good. Football is a team sport. Last year, Brady looked mediocre. Was it Brady, the WR's, the TE's, the o'line, the running back, the play calling, or a combination of all of them? Cam isn't the only problem, but DAMN he looks really really bad.

Saying Meyers is a Wr2, 3 or 4 I think it depends on the offense.

Meyers is absolutely a legit NFL caliber WR. That much is certain.

 

[crawhammer]

Cam's comment was clearly directed at the head coach Bill Belichick for continuing to start him as even Cam knows he is completely hopeless. Who the heck continues to start a washed-up noodle-arm loser? Bill Belichick, that's who. I applaud Cam for calling out Belichick publicly.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

Focusing on Cam as the core problem of the offense is going to be a problem. He deserves a healthy share of the blame but this same offense faltered in the same fashion last year with 12. It was painful to watch them struggle mightly to string together scoring drives.

Not even counting the needs of the defense... now that the goat is gone, no more masking soso talent with supreme qb play. BB is going to have to do what all the greats do...adapt. I believe it was Belichicks buddy Nick Saban, who recently said the days of building an elite defense for a championship are over (for now) to be successful you need to have an elite offense and that the same trend is starting to show in the pro level. I have to agree there.

Will be interesting to see if BB adapts.

 

[Midship]

As if he is in any position to speak. Sit this clown the **** down, should have been done weeks ago.

 

[stinkypete]

Trying to put the pieces together, this is what I make of it...

Belichick has a quandary on his hands. This is 2020, and we have a locker room full of 25 year olds. An image of the Patriots of the late 2010's is of an old, white, Trump loving boot camp that fails to give its stars their proper due. It worked because winning cures everything. Now that they are not winning, Belichick needs to convince guys like Dugger, Uche, Owenu, Meyers, Jackson, Butler, Bentley, Harris, etc. to stick around for the rebuild. The first step is getting them to buy into the program - tough to go given the exodus of veteran talent in free agency and due to Covid opt-outs.

Cam has been, by all accounts, a solid leader. He is loved among a locker room that is young and still learning the Patriot way. His energy is infectious. He has lots of valid excuses at his disposal - late signing, no camp, his Covid infection, roster construction. The kids love the guy, they want to play around him, and they expect him to get his chance to return to 2015 form (and to be duly paid).

An acrimonious break-up will look real bad internally. Belichick needs to find the right "football" decision that moves on from Cam - softly.

 

[RIpats88]

Would cam be better with better receivers? Yes. But my eyes also tell me he can't throw well any more.

There's no excuse for 5 passing touchdowns. Brady had 24 with the same sorry receivers. Minshew has 15 tds. Idk if there has been a starting QB that has thrown only 5 passing tds through a whole season

 

[Uptown]

Wow. I wonder who he’s talking about???

Damn sure ain’t Kraft..

 

[sb1]

Trying to put the pieces together, this is what I make of it...

Belichick has a quandary on his hands. This is 2020, and we have a locker room full of 25 year olds. An image of the Patriots of the late 2010's is of an old, white, Trump loving boot camp that fails to give its stars their proper due. It worked because winning cures everything. Now that they are not winning, Belichick needs to convince guys like Dugger, Uche, Owenu, Meyers, Jackson, Butler, Bentley, Harris, etc. to stick around for the rebuild. The first step is getting them to buy into the program - tough to go given the exodus of veteran talent in free agency and due to Covid opt-outs.

Cam has been, by all accounts, a solid leader. He is loved among a locker room that is young and still learning the Patriot way. His energy is infectious. He has lots of valid excuses at his disposal - late signing, no camp, his Covid infection, roster construction. The kids love the guy, they want to play around him, and they expect him to get his chance to return to 2015 form (and to be duly paid).

An acrimonious break-up will look real bad internally. Belichick needs to find the right "football" decision that moves on from Cam - softly.

Don't think he'd be willing to have a position change but it would be kinda fun to see Cam as a wildcat QB specialist or something like that if our cap allows it. Like Hill for NO. He could be a useful weapon to have in niche situations.

But I think it's easier to move on from him if he's making comments like that. That's not how the Pats under Bill do things.

 

[DaBruinz]

In the quote below, Whitfield is Harry's trainer.

N'Keal Harry's trainer says Cam Newton is partly to blame for the WR’s lack of production

Cam Newton seemed to make a point of taking N’Keal Harry under his wing this year.

patriotswire.usatoday.com

“We’ve got a new quarterback. We’ve got to put some of that (expletive) on Cam,” Whitfield said. “Cam hasn’t been the most accurate this year. Like if (N’Keal) had Tom Brady, Tom Brady would’ve fed him. But we’re back there with Cam and Cam’s getting acclimated to the offense, too.”​

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Whitfield added: “It’s a big deal coming from Tom Brady to Cam Newton. … That’s one of Cam Newton’s biggest issues is mechanics.”​

And what the trainer said is 100% spot on. Newton's mechanics have SUCKED this year. So many of Newton's throws have been in the dirt or to places where the receivers have no chance to make the play.

 

[203Pat]

And what the trainer said is 100% spot on. Newton's mechanics have SUCKED this year. So many of Newton's throws have been in the dirt or to places where the receivers have no chance to make the play.

Unsurprisingly you're missing the point.

 

[sb1]

Cam Newton is “not used to the pressures of being a Patriots player” (usatoday.com)

“We are depending on a lot of people who are not used to the pressures of being a New England Patriots player,” Newton said. “And honestly, if I am being honest and candid, I am one of those players.”

Oof. Our starting QB folks. He's really making an argument to be sent packing.

 

[notex]

I saw Harry open on a few plays yesterday. In fact I could see, even on the TV view, several times that receivers were WIDE open and Cam didnt even look their way.

He sucks as a passer. He WAITS until receiver is open and THEN throws the ball, rather than anticipating when the receiver will come out of route. Thats why he holds onto ball too long, he is incapable of anticipating defensive coverages.

 

[DaBruinz]

Focusing on Cam as the core problem of the offense is going to be a problem. He deserves a healthy share of the blame but this same offense faltered in the same fashion last year with 12. It was painful to watch them struggle mightly to string together scoring drives.

Not even counting the needs of the defense... now that the goat is gone, no more masking soso talent with supreme qb play. BB is going to have to do what all the greats do...adapt. I believe it was Belichicks buddy Nick Saban, who recently said the days of building an elite defense for a championship are over (for now) to be successful you need to have an elite offense and that the same trend is starting to show in the pro level. I have to agree there.

Will be interesting to see if BB adapts.

Too bad it wasn't the same offense last year and saying it has faltered in the same way says you really haven't been paying attention. Last year's offense had no Andrews or Develin. It also missed Karras for a game. Wynn missed half the season. Mason and Cannon both played the season with injuries. And let's not forget the merry-go-round at receiver and TE.

The O-line this year has been good to excellent with Andrews being back and the additions of Onwenu and Herron. Eleumenor stepped up and showed he's a competent RT. Meyers is showing to be a competent guy out of the slot who may be able to take many of the snaps that Edelman took. Byrd is showing to be a competent WR. Johnson isn't as good as Develin, but he's getting there. Harris and Michel have both shown to be quality RBs. And Taylor looks like a good developmental guy to have behind Michel and Harris.

I don't care what Saban said, honestly. There is plenty of evidence that shows an ELITE defense with a good offense is still the way to go in the NFL.

 

[DaBruinz]

Unsurprisingly you're missing the point.

Nope. I'm not the one missing the point. YOU, on the other hand, are just like Cam. Always blaming others when you are the problem.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Cam Newton is “not used to the pressures of being a Patriots player” (usatoday.com)

“We are depending on a lot of people who are not used to the pressures of being a New England Patriots player,” Newton said. “And honestly, if I am being honest and candid, I am one of those players.”

Oof. Our starting QB folks. He's really making an argument to be sent packing.

Jesus

 

[Midship]

Cam Newton is “not used to the pressures of being a Patriots player” (usatoday.com)

“We are depending on a lot of people who are not used to the pressures of being a New England Patriots player,” Newton said. “And honestly, if I am being honest and candid, I am one of those players.”

Oof. Our starting QB folks. He's really making an argument to be sent packing.

That quote is unreal

 

[MoreBellhorn]

Jesus

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That quote alone should put him on the bench. A yikes comment coming from a starting QB.