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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3374222

    BUFFALO, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills will receive $78 million -- more than double their calculated 2006 operating income -- to play eight games in Toronto over the next five years.

    More in the article.

    That's bookoo bucks for a team that always complains that they are a have-not. Let Wilson whine about having to pay into revenue sharing.

    I cannot see how they don't move their permanently eventually.
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    Anyone not think that the Bills will be the Toronto Bills in 2013? I give the over under of the anouncement of a permanent move and a new stadium to be built at two years. That will give them enough time to have their first game after the move in the new building.

    It just makes too much sense. Toronto is close enough to Buffalo to keep most of the fan base. Toronto is a major metropolis. Buffalo is a small, economically depressed city. The league wants to go international with Canada and Mexico the most obvious countries to first expand to. The Bills can stay in the East and not change the opponent's travel time to get to play them.
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    So does a season ticket holder automatically get similar seats in toronto or are will they now have Canadian season ticket holders and American season ticket holders?
    So with the 30% smaller stadium they charge 100% more per ticket. But if they don't honor their season ticket holders - why would you want to be loyal to the team. If you do honor them then 50% of that bump in price; i'm not sure you actually net.


    I wonder if any of those games will be Patriots games. we would be a big draw if we sustain our domination of the AFCE for the next 5 years. that could make a small difference in game prep; playing in a stadium you have never been in before.

    Lets hope the canadians remember to only mark the field for a 100 yards. ;)
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    Well they certainly won't be called the Toronto BILLS. And actually I don't think they will move to Toronto. Canada wants to keep it's sh*tty CFL as the main football attraction in town.
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    Sorry I can't help myself but %100 more per ticket is the exact same price. %100 of a 70 dollar ticket is 70 dollars.
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    The CFL is different but that doesn't mean it is "sh*tty". The game can be quite good.

    100% more means an additional 100%, so 2x the value.
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    ... and you know that Wilson will try as hard as he can to NOT put any of that $78 mill back into the team ;)
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    Beginning of the Rent-A-Franchise era
    ... where impresarios bring the NFL to town
    like a Vegas show.
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    I would suspect not. Right now the Patriots @ Bills is a game that sells out quickly, Fins @ Bills doesn't sell as well. I suspect being Toronto will sell out no matter who the other team is, might as well keep the better games in Buffalo.
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    "100% of" is the same price. But he said "100% more," which would be double the original price.
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    They should move to even more economically depressed but better situated Niagara Falls NY. It's only about 40 minute drive from downtown Buffalo. There's some great gambling casinos right next to the Falls and plenty of space to build a nice stadium there. Also, that's right on the border of Canada, so both sides would feel near-equal ownership and access. Call them the "Niagara Bills" or something, Niagara being the river there and renders them non-city specific. Could also get some Niagara Falls tourist revenue in NFL games ... I'm sure some would prefer that over Paul Anka or an Elvis Impersonator. And oh yeah, the "Canadian Ballet" right over the bridge.

    Makes so much sense, the Buffalonians will never think of it! LOL
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    Ralph Wilson is old and when he passes on, I think the family sells the team and the new owners will move to where they get the best deal. And with the NFL wanting a franchise in LA, that will be the place offering the most bucks.

    As for the so-called Buffalo fan base, they don't go to the games in Buffalo, so why would they trek into Canada? Every home game last season, some business in Buffalo had to buy 2000 tickets to avoid the TV blackout rule. Most Buffalo fans who huff and puff about how great the fan base in Buffalo supports the team, leave outside of Western NY and never go to a game themselves, being content to watch it on Direct TV.

    Toronto is simply a stop gap measure for Wilson to make some money, and as it was pointed out in another post, not to put into the team but to put into his pocket. I doubt new ownership would seriously consider moving the team there when greener pastures beckon.
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    Hell, it's already happening on Patiots Nation. Kraft is going all out to get the Patriots into China for a game or two. He's already got a Patriots website in Chinese.
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    ???? It's not already happening. It may happen in the future, or it may not, but it isn't happening "already."

    The game in London has happened already. Ditto the game in Mexico City.
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    LA had Rams on their helmets once, why not bison?
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    When i was younger my family and I lived just outside Toronto for about 3 years and i still have an older brother who lives up there. Everyone that follows football there are Bills fans and follow the NFL more than the CFL. No one really cares about the CFL to be honest.

    I went to a Toronto Argo's game when i was young, I remember the punter actually missed the ball when he dropped it for the punt.....:rofl:
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    That's crap--get your facts straight. I believe it may have been one game in December, when we were already out of the playoffs and they still sold out all their games last year I believe (with that one bit of assistance). For a city probably one-fifth the size of Boston, it's kind of funny that even when they go 3-13 , like they did a few years ago, they still sold about 40,000 season tickets the next season--compare that to the Pats selling a whopping 19,000 season tickets in 1992, which ain't that long ago. And in Buffalo with their low ticket prices average fans can at least afford to go to the game and don't get raped by their owner out of every last dime. Even if he had the market pricing power, for reasons somewhat described below, I don't think Ralph would do it.

    All that said, I agree with some of the posters here that the writing is on the wall in Buffalo after Ralph passes on. He's pretty much said there's no such thing as a "hometown discount" being offered here and economically the team could make so much more money elsewhere. He's a hero in my eyes for keeping them there this long--I actually talked to him about that once at training camp, thanking him for keeping the team in WNY when he could have made 2-3 times as much money moving to LA, and he basically said, "Ohh, pshaww, what am I going to do, sit in my kitchen and count my money?" You have to like old school sometimes. He gets a lot of grief both here and in Buffalo, but I do find it funny that the owners always trotted out as the modern, with it guys (including yours) are only now coming around to realizing that Ralph and old Mike Brown were right about the CBA, but of course no one's giving them props on that now after ripping them mercilessly on that two years ago.

    I agree with the poster above that the best Bills fans can hope for is a regionalization of the team south of Toronto, close enough to Buffalo to keep the fans there as well. The "Niagara Frontier" Bills is my choice for a name. I'd give Ted Rogers and Co. a better than 50% chance of making that a reality once Ralph passes (he's said he won't move the team while he's alive).

    In the meantime, that $78 million (approx. $15 million a year for the 5 years) is nothing to sneeze at and should help keep the team competitive in the short term--I suspect that we'll see that money put to use a bit next year, or even this year to extend Evans and Crowell (our only big potential FAs next year, I'm glad to report).

    PS As you'll see below, we were in the top 10 in attendance this past season and th e 71k below is about what the stadium holds, BTW--
    Highest Average Attendance by NFL Team in 2007:
    1) 88,090 - Washington Redskins
    2) 78,731 - New York Giants
    3) 77,107 - New York Jets
    4) 76,777 - Kansas City Chiefs
    5) 76,612 - Denver Broncos *
    6) 73,403 - Carolina Panthers
    7) 73,001 - Cleveland Browns
    8 ) 72,229 - Miami Dolphins
    9) 71,153 - Baltimore Ravens *
    10) 71,055 - Buffalo Bills
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    forget about the whole no football in canada debate for a second and just focus on the fact that a once proud and successful franchise is apparently dead only 15 or so years after it had it's prime.

    that obviously means trouble for NE if it should ever have to deal with that kind of mess of a prolong period amount of time, it's not like it hasnt almost happened in the past.

    but if they do end up in canada, count me in on them moving out of our division cause there is no need to trip to canada once a year for a football game.
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    i know we've had the CFL "discussion" out here before, but i dare you to say that to Doug Flutie's face (not to mention to any pumped, 300 pound CFL lineman who's in a bad mood and tired of being dissed). Sure, it's not the NFL, but the quality of play isn't all that bad and the league has provided a good living for a lot of guys who were a step too slow or not quite strong enough to play in the NFL.
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    i lived in Toronto as well and that's not how I remember their fans. And, the punter story sounds like it could have come from one of the more pathetic teams the Patriots put on the field during the pre-Kraft years.
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