Bill Belichick: Highest Paid Coach in North American Sports at $20m per

[upstater1]

Are you talking about Belichick in the 2007 SB? That 2007 season offense was #2 highest scoring offense in NFL history, scoring 37 pts/gm, yet only managed a paultry 14 points in the SB.

I have no idea what poultry has to do with it, but Belichick said it was a coaching disaster. He ended up going to 4 more Super Bowls, winning 3, 8 more championship games, and at NO POINT was he ever 4-9. McVay, despite all that talent, has missed the playoffs multiple times in just a few years after that Super Bowl.

 

[upstater1]

I don't know what you're talking about at this point. No one in 2018 thought that Goff, Woods, and Cooks were some superstar hall of famers. Everyone knew their play/stats were being elevated by Sean McVay's scheme. So basically he took a team to the playoffs with a group of offensive players who were good, not great in 2018. Also I don't know how there was a "power outage" in the playoffs. They scored 30 points in the divisional round, and scored 23 points with 380 yards of offense in the NFCCG and they did that while Gurley's knee was falling apart.

In 2021 you keep yelling about an all star team and how talented they were. What did McVay do with that talent? He won a Super Bowl. I don't really know what else you wanted him to do.

You seem to think that it is a knock on McVay that Stafford started to taper off midway though 2021 when in fact it is the opposite. He was able to win games all the way to the winning the Super Bowl with a QB who allegedly wasn't playing well. He should get even more credit for coaching up the team with alleged subpar play from the most important position on the roster.

You're getting the years mixed up. We were talking about what you labeled a pedestrian offense in 2018. This is what I said in response:

"A good coach doesn't come into the Super Bowl then with one of the top 10 offenses in NFL history and get thoroughly depants'd. 3 points, the lowest total in history. He was totally unprepared.

OK, so fine. It's a learning curve. He's still got a super talented team. Next year, he misses the playoffs. They start stocking players, reloading, FAs, the most talented team in the NFL. And it almost happens again to them. They don't hit, they've got a putrid offense after putting up a ton of points, their QB turtles, and they are just lucky to play one of the worst SB teams of the decade with the exception of the Panthers."

The most talented team I'm referencing is the last 2 years. Not 2018. The power outage is the last 2 years. I even quoted ESPN+ this morning to show that.

And obviously I'm not basing this off just one game in 2018 when I'm talking about not only him missing the playoffs 2x in these years, but the last 19 games they had when the offense was not performing. There was never any question that they had a stellar defense with the best player in football, Ramsey at CB, but McVay has nothing to do with that. He's an offensive guy. And that offense has woefully underperformed in crucial situations since that 2019 SB.

As I said about ESPN+, they have McVay moving on from his innovation simply because it's been countered and held down. How many coaches in this league could do more with a HOF QB, Kupp, Beckham, Jefferson and Higbee? A lot.

 

[venecol]

I don't know what you're talking about at this point. No one in 2018 thought that Goff, Woods, and Cooks were some superstar hall of famers. Everyone knew their play/stats were being elevated by Sean McVay's scheme. So basically he took a team to the playoffs with a group of offensive players who were good, not great in 2018. Also I don't know how there was a "power outage" in the playoffs. They scored 30 points in the divisional round, and scored 23 points with 380 yards of offense in the NFCCG and they did that while Gurley's knee was falling apart.

In 2021 you keep yelling about an all star team and how talented they were. What did McVay do with that talent? He won a Super Bowl. I don't really know what else you wanted him to do.

You seem to think that it is a knock on McVay that Stafford started to taper off midway though 2021 when in fact it is the opposite. He was able to win games all the way to the winning the Super Bowl with a QB who allegedly wasn't playing well. He should get even more credit for coaching up the team with alleged subpar play from the most important position on the roster.

He's just a hater. I mean nobody here likes McVay, but to die on the hill that he's a bad coach is asinine.

He believes that there aren't any good young coaches, yet Bill has lost to McDaniel (39), O'Connell (37), and Eberflus (52), all rookie coaches. The game has passed Bill (70). He's too old and set in his ways to be competitive with these younger innovative coaches. He continues to roll out 1980 offenses and truly believes he can be a contender by doing that. Either that or he's just trolling Kraft at this point.

New England spent an NFL record amount of guaranteed money in 2021 FAcy and drafted a 1st Round QB, yet look pathetic in their 2nd year together. I have little confidence that Belichick can turn this team around. Pats will remain a mediocre team sitting as a #7-#9 seed, getting rolled in the playoffs if they're lucky enough to make it and losing out on top half of draft picks. If they continue to roll with Sunshine, who's shown nothing in his 2nd year to be deemed a franchise QB, it'll set the team back 5 years. I don't care if they beat the Raiders, another below average team. They'll fold like a Manila envelope in their last 3 games against stiffer opposition. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. It is what it is.

 

[203Pat]

You're getting the years mixed up. We were talking about what you labeled a pedestrian offense in 2018. This is what I said in response:

"A good coach doesn't come into the Super Bowl then with one of the top 10 offenses in NFL history and get thoroughly depants'd. 3 points, the lowest total in history. He was totally unprepared.

OK, so fine. It's a learning curve. He's still got a super talented team. Next year, he misses the playoffs. They start stocking players, reloading, FAs, the most talented team in the NFL. And it almost happens again to them. They don't hit, they've got a putrid offense after putting up a ton of points, their QB turtles, and they are just lucky to play one of the worst SB teams of the decade with the exception of the Panthers."

The most talented team I'm referencing is the last 2 years. Not 2018. The power outage is the last 2 years. I even quoted ESPN+ this morning to show that.

And obviously I'm not basing this off just one game in 2018 when I'm talking about not only him missing the playoffs 2x in these years, but the last 19 games they had when the offense was not performing. There was never any question that they had a stellar defense with the best player in football, Ramsey at CB, but McVay has nothing to do with that. He's an offensive guy. And that offense has woefully underperformed in crucial situations since that 2019 SB.

As I said about ESPN+, they have McVay moving on from his innovation simply because it's been countered and held down. How many coaches in this league could do more with a HOF QB, Kupp, Beckham, Jefferson and Higbee? A lot.

You keep twisting what was said over and over. In 2018 the offense wasn't pedestrian, just most of the players who made it up. The offense racked up yards and scored points. McVay had average to good NFL players playing at an elite level largely because of his offensive scheme.

In 2021 his offense had very good to elite players and he won the Super Bowl.

2022 they lost Odell Beckham who played pretty well for them down the stretch when Woods went down. They also lost Von Miller who played great for them down the stretch as well. They lost long time starter, Andrew Whitworth, at left tackle. They lost 4 of their offensive coaches. Their 34 year old QB had an offseason elbow surgery and ended up getting 2 concussions before getting shut down with a spinal injury. Their record breaking receiver went down midway though the year with a high ankle sprain. Around the same time their big money free agent receiver who underachieved all year went on IR for the year as well. In addition to Cupp and Robinson's injuries they were also without Van Jefferson for a month early in the year. The guy thought to be their lead running back coming into the year flaked out and wanted to be traded.

But yes in spite of all that McVay should be waltzing his way to another ring right now but he isn't so he is a terrible coach.

I am done with this conversation at this point. The thread is about Bill's salary and not Sean McVay but for the price (and at this point regardless of the price) I would rather have McVay as a coach going forward.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's just a hater. I mean nobody here likes McVay, but to die on the hill that he's a bad coach is asinine.

He believes that there aren't any good young coaches, yet Bill has lost to McDaniel (39), O'Connell (37), and Eberflus (52), all rookie coaches. The game has passed Bill (70). He's too old and set in his ways to be competitive with these younger innovative coaches. He continues to roll out 1980 offenses and truly believes he can be a contender by doing that. Either that or he's just trolling Kraft at this point.

New England spent an NFL record amount of guaranteed money in 2021 FAcy and drafted a 1st Round QB, yet look pathetic in their 2nd year together. I have little confidence that Belichick can turn this team around. Pats will remain a mediocre team sitting as a #7-#9 seed, getting rolled in the playoffs if they're lucky enough to make it and losing out on top half of draft picks. If they continue to roll with Sunshine, who's shown nothing in his 2nd year to be deemed a franchise QB, it'll set the team back 5 years. I don't care if they beat the Raiders, another below average team. They'll fold like a Manila envelope in their last 3 games against stiffer opposition. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. It is what it is.

The Defense is much closer than the O to be complete we are going to have to ride the Defense some. Teams already fear Judon now Uche is on the rise and Barmore is coming back we have a legit D going forward we can Win with Good Defense.

 

[upstater1]

You keep twisting what was said over and over. In 2018 the offense wasn't pedestrian, just most of the players who made it up. The offense racked up yards and scored points. McVay had average to good NFL players playing at an elite level largely because of his offensive scheme.

In 2021 his offense had very good to elite players and he won the Super Bowl.

2022 they lost Odell Beckham who played pretty well for them down the stretch when Woods went down. They also lost Von Miller who played great for them down the stretch as well. They lost long time starter, Andrew Whitworth, at left tackle. They lost 4 of their offensive coaches. Their 34 year old QB had an offseason elbow surgery and ended up getting 2 concussions before getting shut down with a spinal injury. Their record breaking receiver went down midway though the year with a high ankle sprain. Around the same time their big money free agent receiver who underachieved all year went on IR for the year as well. In addition to Cupp and Robinson's injuries they were also without Van Jefferson for a month early in the year. The guy thought to be their lead running back coming into the year flaked out and wanted to be traded.

But yes in spite of all that McVay should be waltzing his way to another ring right now but he isn't so he is a terrible coach.

I am done with this conversation at this point. The thread is about Bill's salary and not Sean McVay but for the price (and at this point regardless of the price) I would rather have McVay as a coach going forward.

I can't read your mind. When you write pedestrian offense, I respond to those words. You meant the players, OK. Even though I'd consider Cooks and Woods to be top 20 WRs in the league in 2018. Pro Bowlers at RB and on the OL. Whatever it was, he went from top offense, to 3 points (the lowest total ever) and then winning 7 games the following year.

So, OK, that's a one off. Fine. Belichick went 11-5 after they scored only 14 in the '07 Super Bowl. A bad game for McVay.

In my original post, I even excused McVay for this because he was a young coach. Go back and look.

But then see what happened after that. They again missed the playoffs. They then traded 5 #1 draft choices for Ramsey, Stafford and others. They put together an All-Star offense, and they did really well for the 1st half of the season. Then coaches got the tape and figured McVay out. The offense started performing worse than half the teams in the NFL. Stafford suddenly had problems in the playoffs. The ineptitude of the Bengals is the only thing that saved them.

You mentioned their key injuries this year but I explicitly said I was looking ONLY at their games PRIOR to these injuries. I was looking at the second half of last year and the 1st half of this year. Kupp and Stafford started and played into the 9th game. ESPN+ also analyzed the performances for those 19 games. The Rams went 3-6 when these players were healthy. So this isn't a matter of injury excuses.

 

[upstater1]

He's just a hater. I mean nobody here likes McVay, but to die on the hill that he's a bad coach is asinine.

He believes that there aren't any good young coaches, yet Bill has lost to McDaniel (39), O'Connell (37), and Eberflus (52), all rookie coaches. The game has passed Bill (70). He's too old and set in his ways to be competitive with these younger innovative coaches. He continues to roll out 1980 offenses and truly believes he can be a contender by doing that. Either that or he's just trolling Kraft at this point.

New England spent an NFL record amount of guaranteed money in 2021 FAcy and drafted a 1st Round QB, yet look pathetic in their 2nd year together. I have little confidence that Belichick can turn this team around. Pats will remain a mediocre team sitting as a #7-#9 seed, getting rolled in the playoffs if they're lucky enough to make it and losing out on top half of draft picks. If they continue to roll with Sunshine, who's shown nothing in his 2nd year to be deemed a franchise QB, it'll set the team back 5 years. I don't care if they beat the Raiders, another below average team. They'll fold like a Manila envelope in their last 3 games against stiffer opposition. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. It is what it is.

This is just a total bunch of lies.

Venecol is easily the worst poster on Patsfans. I never said so much of this. There are good young coaches. Just because I don't think McVay is one of them doesn't make a blanket statement. Such BS

What venecol excels at is making up a bunch of strawmen no one has ever said. Good work. What a loser

 

[Real fan 02]

The Defense is much closer than the O to be complete we are going to have to ride the Defense some. Teams already fear Judon now Uche is on the rise and Barmore is coming back we have a legit D going forward we can Win with Good Defense.

Definitely agree , however we are having some injuries in the secondary. Wrong time of year to be having injuries in the secondary... Barmore was back at practice today. Hopefully he can play, he's huge for us! Wise also too is a factor off the edge. What's so impressive with this D.. is outside of judon we are a top 5 D without any big names!

 

[1960Pats]

They still had the best players this year. And it got them a 3-6 record before Stafford and Kupp went out. Donald is still there.

We lost our best players. But they were all old and at the end of the line. we needed to rebuild, obviously. I don't think people understand we lost 15 of our top players, and they were old, with the exception of Thuney, Elandon Roberts and Trey Flowers. Everyone else aged out. White, Brady, Cannon, Gronk, Bennett, Edelman, Amendola, Hightower, Gilmore, Chung, Jason McCourty. That's 14 players GONE!!!

Teams lose and replace players all the time.

 

[PatsFan2]

Definitely agree , however we are having some injuries in the secondary. Wrong time of year to be having injuries in the secondary... Barmore was back at practice today. Hopefully he can play, he's huge for us! Wise also too is a factor off the edge. What's so impressive with this D.. is outside of judon we are a top 5 D without any big names!

And with the Jones Triplets and Jalen Mills we'll have nice back-end. I want Jonathan Jones back Inside if Jalen Mills is healthy.

 

[upstater1]

Teams lose and replace players all the time.

I didn't say they replaced anyone. I said those players were still there. Kupp, Stafford and Donald were still there.

 

[Real fan 02]

And with the Jones Triplets and Jalen Mills we'll have nice back-end. I want Jonathan Jones back Inside if is Jalen Mills is healthy.

Yes, secondary is solid. Love our safeties as well. Peppers, Phillips and Dugger will be in bigger roles next season as I sense D Mac will probably hang it up. Mills has had groin issues since he was with the eagles. Yes Jonathan Jones inside he was great in the slot when we had Gilmore. Looking ahead... I've mentioned on the forum we really, really need to look into trying to trade for pat Surtain II in Denver. The guys is 6'2 ultra physical, locks down WR'S he'd take the D to another level.

 

[venecol]

The Defense is much closer than the O to be complete we are going to have to ride the Defense some. Teams already fear Judon now Uche is on the rise and Barmore is coming back we have a legit D going forward we can Win with Good Defense.

This D looks to me like last year's D. They beat up on teams with poor QBs or offenses and not so much against better QBs and offenses. Let's see how they do against Bengals, Dolphins and Bills. Cousin and Allen smoked the secondary.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yes, secondary is solid. Love our safeties as well. Peppers, Phillips and Dugger will be in bigger roles next season as I sense D Mac will probably hang it up. Mills has had groin issues since he was with the eagles. Yes Jonathan Jones inside he was great in the slot when we had Gilmore. Looking ahead... I've mentioned on the forum we really, really need to look into trying to trade for Pat Surtain II in Denver. The guys is 6'2 ultra physical, locks down WR'S he'd take the D to another level.

Wow! I like.

 

[PatsFan2]

This D looks to me like last year's D. They beat up on teams with poor QBs or offenses and not so much against better QBs and offenses. Let's see how they do against Bengals, Dolphins and Bills. Cousin and Allen smoked the secondary.

I don't know about that: a heathy C Barmore makes D Wise and D Ekuale look like players. Also we are finally seeing the effects of healthy Josh Uche paired with the Great Judon. I think our Front Seven is much better than regarded.

 

[venecol]

Here's a list of 2022 HC sorted by winning % since 2020. McVay is #10 and the only coach on the list with a SB win in last 3 seasons. Belichick is #18 with no division or playoff wins. Majority of coaches (56%) are under 50. The average age is 49.6 years.

Team	Coach	Hired	Age	W	L	T	W%
Kansas City Chiefs	Andy Reid	2013	64	36	10		0.783
Minnesota Vikings	Kevin O'Connell	2022	37	10	3		0.769
Buffalo Bills	Sean McDermott	2017	48	34	12		0.739
Philadelphia Eagles	Nick Sirianni	2021	41	21	9		0.700
Green Bay Packers	Matt LaFleur	2019	43	31	15		0.674
Tennessee Titans	Mike Vrabel	2018	47	30	16		0.652
Miami Dolphins	Mike McDaniel	2022	39	8	5		0.615
Dallas Cowboys	Mike McCarthy	2020	59	28	18		0.609
Baltimore Ravens	John Harbaugh	2008	60	28	18		0.609
Los Angeles Rams	Sean McVay	2017	36	26	20		0.565
Pittsburgh Steelers	Mike Tomlin	2007	50	26	19	1	0.565
Seattle Seahawks	Pete Carroll	2010	71	26	20		0.565
Indianapolis Colts	Frank Reich **	2018	61	23	18	1	0.548
San Francisco 49ers	Kyle Shanahan	2017	43	25	21		0.543
New York Giants	Brian Daboll	2022	47	7	5	1	0.538
Cleveland Browns	Kevin Stefanski	2020	40	24	21		0.533
Los Angeles Chargers	Brandon Staley	2021	40	16	14		0.533
New England Patriots	Bill Belichick	2000	70	24	22		0.522
Cincinnati Bengals	Zac Taylor	2019	39	23	22		0.511
Arizona Cardinals	Kliff Kingsbury	2019	43	23	23	0	0.500
Carolina Panthers	Steve Wilks	2022	53	4	4		0.500
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	Todd Bowles	2022	59	6	7		0.462
Washington FT	Ron Rivera	2020	60	21	24	1	0.457
Atlanta Falcons	Arthur Smith	2021	40	12	17		0.414
Las Vegas Raiders	Josh McDaniels	2022	46	5	8		0.385
Jacksonville Jaguars	Doug Pederson	2022	54	5	8		0.385
New York Jets	Robert Saleh	2021	43	11	19		0.367
New Orleans Saints	Dennis Allen	2022	50	4	9		0.308
Detroit Lions	Dan Campbell	2021	46	9	20	1	0.300
Denver Broncos	Nathaniel Hackett	2022	42	3	10		0.231
Chicago Bears	Matt Eberflus	2022	52	3	10		0.231
Houston Texans	Lovie Smith	2022	64	1	11	1	0.077

 

[venecol]

I don't know about that: a heathy C Barmore makes D Wise and D Ekuale look like players. Also we are finally seeing the effects of healthy Josh Uche paired with the Great Judon. I think our Front Seven is much better than regarded.

Sure, but the issue is the better QBs get rid of the ball fast which negates the pass rush. I wouldn't say our ILBs are great. Dugger and JoJones were picked at by Cousins and Allen. Let's see what happens. Hopefully you're correct and the D (rush + secondary) show up against these elite QBs.

 

[captain stone]

The Defense is much closer than the O to be complete we are going to have to ride the Defense some. Teams already fear Judon now Uche is on the rise and Barmore is coming back we have a legit D going forward we can Win with Good Defense.

Not with these CBs & Free Safety... Still don't trust the LBs either.

 

[Real fan 02]

This D looks to me like last year's D. They beat up on teams with poor QBs or offenses and not so much against better QBs and offenses. Let's see how they do against Bengals, Dolphins and Bills. Cousin and Allen smoked the secondary.

It's hard to argue against that, however have to remember aside from judon there are no all-pros in the d.. as a unit they play well. They did well against the dolphins in week 1 all be it a loss.. but as you stated they have to step up against better competition. That's why I stated one of groh/BB moves has to be finding a way to acquire a lockdown corner. Pat surtain ll would be my pick!

 

[Real fan 02]

Not with these CBs & Free Safety... Still don't trust the LBs either.

True however how many all pros on this D? They are top 5 in the league in all the categories that matter :

Scoring
Sacks
3rd down %
Take aways

The rams have some all pros on D and they aren't even ranked in the top 5.
That's the most impressive with the defense having no all pros save for judon but made up of some unproven players, young guys, and rookies.