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Harry will make the team this year. He's a good receiver
No, he's not. Or, at least, he hasn't been. He's been crap.
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Harry will make the team this year. He's a good receiver
Can I have some of whatever you are taking? Would make life a whole lot more positive.Harry will make the team this year. He's a good receiver who is going to be on his third QB in three years. Brady wanted nothing to do with helping rookies his last year here and said so. It was obnoxious. Harry made 33 catches last season in an offense with little help to draw coverage to others and a QB who couldn't throw accurately, and now he gets a rookie QB who was the most accurate passer in college football.
I think Harry will thrive this year and be a matchup problem for teams that have to account for Hunter Henry, Nelson Agholor, James White, and whoever wins the battle for the slot receiver job (who I don't think is on the roster yet.) At 6'4, 225, Harry becomes a problem for the 3rd corner in a dime package or a safety in zone coverage.
yup. Maybe not carrying the load will help himSo does this mean Sony becomes a free agent after next season?
I still think tackle is a need for next year unless Herron shows up as a starting caliber OT or Cajuste wakes up from death. It isn't as big of a need as corner but right behind that imoWith Onwenu on board it eliminates tackle need for 2022 altogether..
I actually agree with this, lol. He will never justify his pick but I don't think he is going to be absolute crap like some think. The situations he has been put in were suboptimal. Not every rookie or 2nd year player just jumps onto the scene, Edelman was sitting on the bench for 4 years. The lack of separation skills are concerning but he should work better with a more accurate QB whose arm is not falling off. I also don't think McDaniels has done a good job using him. NE is better off to not use early picks on WR and CB though.Harry will make the team this year. He's a good receiver who is going to be on his third QB in three years. Brady wanted nothing to do with helping rookies his last year here and said so. It was obnoxious. Harry made 33 catches last season in an offense with little help to draw coverage to others and a QB who couldn't throw accurately, and now he gets a rookie QB who was the most accurate passer in college football.
I think Harry will thrive this year and be a matchup problem for teams that have to account for Hunter Henry, Nelson Agholor, James White, and whoever wins the battle for the slot receiver job (who I don't think is on the roster yet.) At 6'4, 225, Harry becomes a problem for the 3rd corner in a dime package or a safety in zone coverage.
I actually agree with this, lol. He will never justify his pick but I don't think he is going to be absolute crap like some think. The situations he has been put in were suboptimal. Not every rookie or 2nd year player just jumps onto the scene, Edelman was sitting on the bench for 4 years. The lack of separation skills are concerning but he should work better with a more accurate QB whose arm is not falling off. I also don't think McDaniels has done a good job using him. NE is better off to not use early picks on WR and CB though.
The best part of both observations by @reamer and @SBLIII is whether we judge Harry by his draft pick or his ability. Expectations were set so high that somehow he was going to click from the beginning with Brady who already had one foot out the door due to his ennui with Belichick , his contract, and the general lack of skill-player talent after Gronk retired.I can get on board with this optimism. He still needs to be more consistent, but every several games he'll show a decent play (final drive in Seattle, a few of his red zone TDs, his catch and run down the left sideline through traffic, a couple stop and go back shoulder catches, etc). If he can produce one of those a game, and keep the chains moving, I don't see why he can't be a #3/4 and salvage his career. He likely will never justify his draft slot, but he can still contribute if he's more sudden and shows some of the physicality I liked about him in college.
Edelman was backing up Wes Welker, the greatest slot WR in the history of the NFL, for 4 years. Who's Harry been sitting behind?I actually agree with this, lol. He will never justify his pick but I don't think he is going to be absolute crap like some think. The situations he has been put in were suboptimal. Not every rookie or 2nd year player just jumps onto the scene, Edelman was sitting on the bench for 4 years. The lack of separation skills are concerning but he should work better with a more accurate QB whose arm is not falling off. I also don't think McDaniels has done a good job using him. NE is better off to not use early picks on WR and CB though.
Except it does. It obviously does. It unquestionably does. And all of you are clowning yourselves when you try to argue otherwise, rather than just acknowledging the blatantly obvious and hoping for a significant change moving forward.I don't think that @Deus Irae comment that Harry is not a good player works in this situation.
My goodness, surely you aren't comparing hothead Ryan Leaf to N'Keal Harry. Ryan Leaf washed out because he just couldn't handle the pressure of being an NFL QB in the same way that Johnny Clipboard Manziel couldn't. N'Keal Harry has none of those issues.Except it does. It obviously does. It unquestionably does. And all of you are clowning yourselves when you try to argue otherwise, rather than just acknowledging the blatantly obvious and hoping for a significant change moving forward.
Ryan Leaf once threw for over 300 yards, and had a passer rating of over 100, in a game. But he still sucked, and he was still out of the NFL in a hurry.
I'm comparing garbage players, solely for the purpose of demonstrating that even garbage players can have an occasional day where they don't suck. You defending a garbage player based upon his past garbage play does you no credit. You using terrible excuses like "Belichick's fault!" does you even less. And using my point "You yourself have written that one can't really measure the effectiveness of a draft until you see where these rookies are in year three" in a misleading manner is even worse. There's no rule requiring a 3 year waiting period on an individual player's evaluation. Teams take 90 players to camp and cut 37 before the team's first game (using averages, not counting every roster move), after all.My goodness, surely you aren't comparing hothead Ryan Leaf to N'Keal Harry. Ryan Leaf washed out because he just couldn't handle the pressure of being an NFL QB in the same way that Johnny Clipboard Manziel couldn't. N'Keal Harry has none of those issues.
If anyone is to blame for N'Keal Harry's struggles it's Bill Belichick and the Patriots brain trust for using a first round pick on Harry. You yourself have written that one can't really measure the effectiveness of a draft until you see where these rookies are in year three. I'd say this is a make or break year for Harry as a Patriot, but I wouldn't compare him to Ryan Leaf.
The question is whether N'Keal Harry's paltry 59.7% catch rate (33 receptions on 57 targets in 2020) was a function of his talent or a function of the pathetic passing by Cam Newton and Jared Stidham. A significant change may indeed happen in 2021 if Newton is better or is replaced by Mac Jones.