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    Worse call than 4th and 2?

    I never thought 4th and 2 was as bad as many, but this was mind-boggling. First down, complete mastery of the offense, 45 seconds left, best situational quarterback of all-time. Why on earth do you settle for a 42 yard field goal? I knew he missed it before he went on the field. Cardinals were giving the Patriots 10-15 yards if they wanted to take it.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    I agree they should have at least tried to get closer. I know you don't want to turn the ball over and show confidence in your kicker but Brady was shredding the Cards D on the final drive. Coulda at least got 10-15 yds or SOMETHING, a 42 yd. FG (or whatever it was) isn't a given in the NFL.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    Atrocious. I could not believe they didn't try three more plays, they were moving the ball. You can try to chalk up the blame on Gostkowski and he did choke, but he also drilled two 50 yarders earlier to keep us in the game at all.

    Blame the coaches, its rare to see such unwise play calling but it was all over the place today.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    This was one of a couple questionable decisions I thought he made today, along with the failed challenge for what would've been, what, 5 yards? Time-out burned.

    And right before the half we are in borderline field goal range, instead we let the clock run down and punt. Should've at least thrown a pass with like 10 seconds left. Worst case scenario they get a chance at a hail mary.

    But whatever, we deserved to lose today so it is what it is.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    They looked terrified of running an actual play down the field. Way WAY too cautius with a kicker who has not yet earned his stripes. A fitting end to a dreadful performance by the coaches and players.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    Totally agree. On 1st down from the 18 with 46 seconds left they chose a 36 yard field goal over trying to get closer. Then after the bonehead false start, they made the same decision for a 42 yarder. Ridiculous. Did Belichick gets spooked by AZ's fumble?
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    play calling was awful on 3rd downs all game
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    If we would of ran a play and turned the ball over everyone would be asking why we didnt just sit on the ball and kick a FG. He did the right thing, we were down by 2 and well in Gostkowski's range considering his 4 already made kicks. He missed the kick, theres nothing we can do to change that. Stuff happens.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    Draw to Woodhead! :bricks:
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    I thought calling a pitchout to Woodhead on third down when your in field goal range was pretty bad. Of course they loss yards. They haven't been able to run sideways the whole game. If they wanted to run, then go up the middle and don't get knocked out of field goal range.

    Playcalling was pretty atrocious the whole game. The clock management right before the half was some of te worse I've ever seen.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    I thought, and still think, that 4th and 2 was the right call, so yes, it was much worse.
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    Yeah, I agree. I think the Pats could have gotten a few more yards, but a 42 yarder is easily makeable by Gostkowski. It wasn't the worst call in the world.

    Again, Gostkowski wasn't making that kick from 22 yards. So what is the difference?
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    Re: Worse call than 4th and 2?

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought we were completely outcoached. Badly!
    We lay an egg every year and I guess this was it.
    Out played, out hussled, out coached. And we still almost stole it at the end.

    I don't say this often but, GO STEELERS!!!
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    I didn't see a thread on this, but did anyone else find it odd that we had 40 something seconds left in the game and like 1st or 2nd down at the ~35 yard line and we didn't try getting closer? I was thinking that a 45ish yard fg is no gimme and would have liked for us to try to get closer. Just seems weird that with that much time left we wouldn't try to make it an easier fg.

    Oh well not like it mattered considering I had figured a loss prior to the fumble.
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    Bill B was channeling his inner Herm Edwards.
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    Yeah that's the headscratcher of the night... no freakin' clue. I'm guessing because AZ just fumbled, we were scared to do the same thing. Weaaaak.
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    Seems like BB or McD are the only ones who know the answer to that question
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    I couldn't believe they did that..like seriously. So dumb! That was the real issue. They should have taken at least one shot at the endzone and another to get closer..Just weak..
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    My thoughts exactly! and I'm not second guessing now after Gost's miss I was sayin it then. Sending Ridley in to hold on to ball with 2 hands for yardage I was thinking. I know Gost already booted a 40 & 50 something field goals but a holding call or false start could have backed us up even more. Strange Call, Strange Game!
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    BB has to coach better....
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    Don't think it's strange at all, I was worried about throwing a pick. Woody scored the winner and then when it got taken back Ghost had a prime opportunity to win it.
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    This was actually discussed at length in the game thread and after thread. You are absolutely correct on your assessment. Problem is for some reason our coaching staff plays everything extremely close to the vest or like "chicken littles". Blitzes were almost none existent for most of the game even though most everyone considers Kolb susceptible to them. It was also like we had no clue what to do after AH went down. We were totally out coached in this game.
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    I agree 100%, plenty of time on the clock, get as close as you can and leave as little time as possible on the clock, basic football sense and logic at that juncture of the game and most coaches I believe would have done just that. I have no idea what BB was thinking, none. Not to mention, TB was hot at that point, red hot.

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    This is the first game I can remember where it seemed like the coaching staff tried to throw it. I say that in jest, but I don't think they could have coached any worse from a strategic point of view.

    -Hernandez goes down on the first drive. Okay, Welker time. Okay, Gronkowski time. We have two all-pros. Josh McD uses every conceivable way to throw the ball to Lloyd and Edelman. Finally, we use Welker just before halftime- you would have thought it was like RUDY running onto the field. The commentator: "That's Wes Welker!" This isn't some washed up has been who is now the team cheerleader. The guy has over 1500 yards last year. What was going on here???

    -Playcalling was atrocious throughout the game, not just then. It's a game of momentum... I realize we want more balance, but there are times when the O-line is having it's way and a time when they're being pushed around. We decided to kill four second half drives with second and third down runs for momentum-killing losses when our passing game was heating up. This includes the infamous Woodhead draw (face palm.) Every time they handed it off in the second half, you knew it was a terrible idea, yet they stubbornly continued to do it.

    -Ridley is not the best blocker, but we all sensed the two-point conversion would fail when they came out with Woodhead, out of shotgun. Ridley has played every bit as well as any feature RB this year. Now, could you Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson on the bench on a game deciding 2-pt. conversion? Didn't think so. Ridley is a powerful goal line runner, but we gave away our hand. Knew we'd target Gronk, and so did the Cardinals. Gutless play. Should have at least had Ridley as a threat in the backfield.

    -BB's challenge. Has there ever been a stronger correlation between losing and a variable more than BB desperately tossing a challenge flag on an obvious play? Not even close, and for what, seven yards? The TO actually did not come back to kills us, but it should have. Bad omen either way.

    -The last drive. As already discussed (and I started a thread similar to this one), the old playing not to lose bit never gets old, and it never gets more predictable in leading to a loss. Arizona would have let the Patriots score a TD at that point to get the ball back. Brady was slicing through them like a knife through hot butter, yet we pulled back and set Gostokswki up for his choke job. You're telling me he would have shanked a 25-30 yard FG? I don't think so; you can say that the kick was way off, which it was, but that extra distance makes a big difference in a kicker's mentality. Pats had the game in their hands and gave it back. Very uncharacteristic.
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    Kinda hard to blitz when you are playing a team with a stud like Larry Fitzgerald. He demaded extra coverage in the secondary leaving the Pats with less opportunities for for blitzes.

    I don't know how you can question the Pats' game plan on defense. Here is strong evidence why it was a good gameplan on defense:


    • They held Fitzgerald to one catch for four yards
    • If you take away the 2 yard TD drive that even the most elite defenses usually fail on, the defense gave up 13 points.
    • The Cardinals only had one real TD drive of any length.
    • They went 3 and out 4 times and turned over the ball twice.
    • They completed 4 of 14 third downs (28.6%).
    • They had 245 total yards with Kolb passing for only 140 yards.
    • They scored 10 of their 20 points from turnovers deep in Patriots territory (on the Pats' 25 off the Brady pick for a field goal and the two yard TD drive off the block punt).

    That looks like the Pats' defensive game plan was a resounding success. If the offense and special teams didn't put the defense in a deep hole on two drives, the Pats defense might have only given up 10-16 points.

    You can argue that the offensive game plan was flawed and they got outcoached on offense, but I don't know how you can say that on defense.
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    Perhaps because we were going backward on each play and would have gone out of fg range at that rate. Heaven forbid if that had happened or we had turned the ball over, this would become another 4th and 2 type decision.
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    Good coverage on the sequence from Bedard. They were OK after the TD was called back. Welker bailed them out. Ball was on the 18, 36 yarder. Then Gronk had the false start on the first sideways QB sneak to center the ball. The problem arose when they ran the same play again after being pushed back 5 yards. That moved the kick back to 42, which is what you do if you have to but should never be something you opt to do.

    Luck turns to ire on Patriots' final drive - Extra Points - Boston.com

    The two point conversion call was crappy playcalling too. Couldn't have been more predictable and on a day when Gronk seemingly had cement feet.

    An OC's job is to put his players in position to win. Josh struggled with that all day. Almost as if he was intent on putting them where he wanted them regardless. Lack of situational awareness.

    I think Bill did a great job with the defense this off season, both selecting and integrating a number of youngsters into the mix. Maybe he fell a little too hard for some of his fringe players. On offense, however, I fear he focused solely on his TE vision and gave Josh free reign on assembling the rest of the complimentary offense around it. And assembly isn't Josh's strong suit. And now absent half of his all world duo, we are feeling the effect. Hopefully rather than push the issue Josh can adapt and reconfigure the offense so it can function more efficiently over the next 8-10 weeks - if not longer.
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    They had to try and get closer. Was pissed when i found out what they actually did
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    Their choice didn't pay off this time, obviously.
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