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So when someone makes a series of comments if any one of them is acceptable the rest are ok too?
no but is he wrong when he says the equipment is the safest its been? you just hate Kraft so anything he says is horrible.
 
Someone posted in the Bad News for Kraft Haters thread, in effect, that nobody is saying that they "hate" Kraft, but...

I'm saying it now: I hate Robert Kraft. I hate the sight of him, and I hate the sound of him.
what a monster he is, saving football in new england
 
no but is he wrong when he says the equipment is the safest its been? you just hate Kraft so anything he says is horrible.
I don't hate Kraft I am saying his defending the NFLs position on concussions and comparing the risk of head injuries in the NFL to wines soccer is embarrassing.
Do you disagree?

I'm sure the equipment is better but how does that mean the NFL denying that they were exposed to have manipulated the reporting of concussions ?
 
I don't hate Kraft I am saying his defending the NFLs position on concussions and comparing the risk of head injuries in the NFL to wines soccer is embarrassing.
Do you disagree?

I'm sure the equipment is better but how does that mean the NFL denying that they were exposed to have manipulated the reporting of concussions ?

Andy-

If you read that list of three sports as setting a spectrum from the least to most contact, then it is not patently absurd (nor do I read it as offensive). I doubt you would seriously contend even a mild contact sport like soccer is immune from collisions and concussions (people running at full speed into each other accidentally can produce concussions). Hockey has far more collisions, but hockey players tend not to lead with their heads when checking. Then there is football. The associated risk (probability) goes from low to much higher, but there still remains a risk of concussions in all of the listed sports. That is fact, not fiction.
Saying "football is worth the risk" in light of the benefits is not crazy either. It doesn't say the sport is safe (and better gear does make it safer but far from safe). Players have made similar statements over the past few weeks. Much of the civil suit was based on concealing risks to long-term health from concussions. If players join the sport with eyes wide open, and assume the risks with a full understanding of the same, then that is the way it is supposed to work. They are grown men and can decide whether to go for the payday or avoid the associated health risks.

The rest of it sounds like Kraft bailed on answering the question and pointed to the NFL response to accusations from the Times.

I do not love all of what Kraft has done of late (I have stated that frequently), and frankly would agree that I am happier when he is not making public appearances or statements after the last 18 months or so, but this session doesn't really seem all that ridiculous to me.
 
Andy-

If you read that list of three sports as setting a spectrum from the least to most contact, then it is not patently absurd (nor do I read it as offensive). I doubt you would seriously contend even a mild contact sport like soccer is immune from collisions and concussions (people running at full speed into each other accidentally can produce concussions). Hockey has far more collisions, but hockey players tend not to lead with their heads when checking. Then there is football. The associated risk (probability) goes from low to much higher, but there still remains a risk of concussions in all of the listed sports. That is fact, not fiction.
Saying "football is worth the risk" in light of the benefits is not crazy either. It doesn't say the sport is safe (and better gear does make it safer but far from safe). Players have made similar statements over the past few weeks. Much of the civil suit was based on concealing risks to long-term health from concussions. If players join the sport with eyes wide open, and assume the risks with a full understanding of the same, then that is the way it is supposed to work. They are grown men and can decide whether to go for the payday or avoid the associated health risks.

The rest of it sounds like Kraft bailed on answering the question and pointed to the NFL response to accusations from the Times.

I do not love all of what Kraft has done of late (I have stated that frequently), and frankly would agree that I am happier when he is not making public appearances or statements after the last 18 months or so, but this session doesn't really seem all that ridiculous to me.
I have not heard of women's soccer players killing themselves because of the effects of brain injuries in their sport. I'm sure Jr seau or mike Websters or Kevin turners family do not think football poses similar risk to women's soccer.
I don't know why people insist on adding that maybe Kraft meant something different than he said t defend him. He did not say he was listing sports in order of least to most contact he said they were alike. He didn't say high school sports he was answering a question about the NFL.
He defended the NFLs lying about the injury statistics calling it inaccurate
If you want to say the NFL has been forthright and gone far to earn their players of the true facts about the riff and correlation of football to head injuries then what Kraft said is fine. I happen to think the NFL (as evidenced by both this report and a large settlement of a lawsuit based upon their dishonest reporting of the facts) has handled it horribly almost criminally and Kraft becoming a defender of this is embarrassing.
 
In terms of soccer the effect of concussions is from doing headers, which players practice, there is acumulative effectr from heading the soccer ball.
 
I was glad my daughter who played soccer was a goalie.

But then she got a serious concussion playing softball.
 
I have not heard of women's soccer players killing themselves because of the effects of brain injuries in their sport. I'm sure Jr seau or mike Websters or Kevin turners family do not think football poses similar risk to women's soccer.
I don't know why people insist on adding that maybe Kraft meant something different than he said t defend him. He did not say he was listing sports in order of least to most contact he said they were alike. He didn't say high school sports he was answering a question about the NFL.
He defended the NFLs lying about the injury statistics calling it inaccurate
If you want to say the NFL has been forthright and gone far to earn their players of the true facts about the riff and correlation of football to head injuries then what Kraft said is fine. I happen to think the NFL (as evidenced by both this report and a large settlement of a lawsuit based upon their dishonest reporting of the facts) has handled it horribly almost criminally and Kraft becoming a defender of this is embarrassing.

Read the Kraft comment you yourself quoted. If you believe the non-NFL sponsored CTE research (I have read it and and I do), then any concussions can create those risk factors. That condition can happen as a result of any concussions. Now you are apparently an amateur scientist who has done an independent study on all sports in order to discredit Kraft's statement. Are you claiming there are no concussions in soccer, or are you claiming to have followed players post-soccer and have collected data on whether they exhibit depression type symptoms? Or maybe you are a medical research scientist and have done your own comprehensive study on CTE. I seriously doubt it.

So ultimately, his statement, which does not say NFL football is comparable to women's soccer expressly (as you interpret it in your opinion), must be read that way because that is how YOU read it. There is no other possible way to read it, because you have talked to Robert Kraft and that is what he meant in saying it. I don't think so. No, you do not appear to hate Kraft at all.

In a world of contact sports, what would you like him to say? What would have made you proud and happy? His response to the specific question in the Times/NFL fight was 'inaccurate', and then he deflected the question. How does that word have greater import validating the NFL position? Is that him, or is that your read injecting your opinion as to what precisely was inaccurate in the reporter's statement. Were they talking about the substance of the report, or the statement included in the question itself?

If you want football outlawed, then stop watching it. My reference to "assumption of the risk" doctrine is that a player who knows the risk can proceed with that risky endeavor if he so chooses (there is an obligation to not conceal hidden risks in order to reach that point). If you want to believe that the movie Concussion and all the discussion around it should not flag some serious issues for players and parents thinking about life in the NFL, then I am not sure what you have been reading on the subject of late. That was the point of the statement.

I never said the NFL was being 'forthright', or personally condoned its report or approach, so please read what is written and not what you would like it to read to further your position. The NFL is playing PR games in order to maintain viewership when they should have created a fund for all those affected (and any other serious health issues in retired players who have made the sport). That position will always be reprehensible. I will not defend the NFL or anyone who defends its position (and I don't think I 've seen much of that here). What I said is I do not believe Kraft did more than dodge a question and speak well of the sport of football generally, specifically in this statement and on this particular occasion. If you want to read more, and you apparently will as nobody can suggest otherwise, then have at it.
 
Read the Kraft comment you yourself quoted. If you believe the non-NFL sponsored CTE research (I have read it and and I do), then any concussions can create those risk factors. That condition can happen as a result of any concussions. Now you are apparently an amateur scientist who has done an independent study on all sports in order to discredit Kraft's statement. Are you claiming there are no concussions in soccer, or are you claiming to have followed players post-soccer and have collected data on whether they exhibit depression type symptoms? Or maybe you are a medical research scientist and have done your own comprehensive study on CTE. I seriously doubt it.
Yeah, I am a brain injury scientist, otherwise I am not qualified to have an opinion. :rolleyes:

If you want to think that dozens of women's soccer players will be killing themselves due to CTE, feel free, but I will disagree.

So ultimately, his statement, which does not say NFL football is comparable to women's soccer expressly (as you interpret it in your opinion), must be read that way because that is how YOU read it. There is no other possible way to read it, because you have talked to Robert Kraft and that is what he meant in saying it. I don't think so. No, you do not appear to hate Kraft at all.
When asked about the report, he compared the concussion issue to Womens soccer. You can deny that if you wish.

In a world of contact sports, what would you like him to say? What would have made you proud and happy? His response to the specific question in the Times/NFL fight was 'inaccurate', and then he deflected the question. How does that word have greater import validating the NFL position? Is that him, or is that your read injecting your opinion as to what precisely was inaccurate in the reporter's statement. Were they talking about the substance of the report, or the statement included in the question itself?
They asked him about the report, and he said it was inaccurate. I tend to believe the NY Times report.
I think the NFL is on the wrong side of this issue, and it is disappointing to me that Kraft endorses their position. You do not need to mince every word to have an opinion, or to understand mine.

If you want football outlawed, then stop watching it.
Did I ever say that? Why are you throwing a strawman into the middle of the argument?

If you agree with the way the NFL has handled the concussion issue, that is fine, and you can then agree that Kraft is fine with his comments. I do not, so I find it hypocritical to rip the league for their position, and dismiss Kraft standing behind that position. In essence Kraft has said the way the NFL is handling concussions is correct in his view. I disagree.


My reference to "assumption of the risk" doctrine is that a player who knows the risk can proceed with that risky endeavor if he so chooses (there is an obligation to not conceal hidden risks in order to reach that point). If you want to believe that the movie Concussion and all the discussion around it should not flag some serious issues for players and parents thinking about life in the NFL, then I am not sure what you have been reading on the subject of late. That was the point of the statement.
Didn't the NFL mislead people in giving false data making them feel the risk was less than it is?
The assumption of risk is supposed to be based upon honest information. The NFL has settled a lawsuit for millions of dollars that claimed they misrepresented the risk and many players assumed that risk based upon false information that was purported to be fact.
Do you disagree with that? And if not, do you not see how Kraft is now standing behind it?
I never said the NFL was being 'forthright', or personally condoned its report or approach, so please read what is written and not what you would like it to read to further your position.
Kindly do the same.

The NFL is playing PR games in order to maintain viewership when they should have created a fund for all those affected (and any other serious health issues in retired players who have made the sport). That position will always be reprehensible. I will not defend the NFL or anyone who defends its position (and I don't think I 've seen much of that here). What I said is I do not believe Kraft did more than dodge a question and speak well of the sport of football generally, specifically in this statement and on this particular occasion. If you want to read more, and you apparently will as nobody can suggest otherwise, then have at it.
Kraft was asked about concussions in the NFL and compared it to womens soccer, then asked about the NYT report and called it inaccurate. That is Kraft aligning with the factions of the NFL that have perpetrated the fraud in question.
I'm not sure why you would need to get all melodramatic and say that because I disagree with you no one can suggest otherwise. I am stating
 
I have not heard of women's soccer players killing themselves because of the effects of brain injuries in their sport. I'm sure Jr seau or mike Websters or Kevin turners family do not think football poses similar risk to women's soccer.
I don't know why people insist on adding that maybe Kraft meant something different than he said t defend him. He did not say he was listing sports in order of least to most contact he said they were alike. He didn't say high school sports he was answering a question about the NFL.
He defended the NFLs lying about the injury statistics calling it inaccurate
If you want to say the NFL has been forthright and gone far to earn their players of the true facts about the riff and correlation of football to head injuries then what Kraft said is fine. I happen to think the NFL (as evidenced by both this report and a large settlement of a lawsuit based upon their dishonest reporting of the facts) has handled it horribly almost criminally and Kraft becoming a defender of this is embarrassing.

Why are you and the ambulance chasers not jumping all over boxing? There the object of the exercise is to induce a concussion (knockout). That and its associated sports are the ones that cause the most real damage.

For the ambulance chasers, it is understandable. It's because there is no concentration deep pool of money to sue for. A one time win in a class action suit, makes collecting $millions as simple as having your legal secretary send in a form letter. For that the legal thieves get 1/3 of the lifetime earnings of the poor unfortunate. Not bad for thirty seconds of effort.

But where is your concern for the participants?
 
saying playing football is okay, what a monster

It's the only reason we are here.....except way too many here have bought into the off the field soap opera.

Deflategate has zero impact on how I've watched the games since.

The blame game is like a drug
 
Women's hockey has a higher concussion rate than men's football

There are many sports that have concussion rates similar to football

However, this is where the money is.
 
Women's hockey has a higher concussion rate than men's football

There are many sports that have concussion rates similar to football

However, this is where the money is.


As Troy would say, "BINGO!"
 
The life lessons you learn from playing football cannot be learned a million other concussion-free ways.
 
Andy, what is he supposed to say. He owns a $2B+ operation in the sport. you think hes going to bash the sport?
I'd suggest he make no comment, or better state that he is not a doctor, and the supports the efforts of doctors to study the issue.
 
Why are you and the ambulance chasers not jumping all over boxing? There the object of the exercise is to induce a concussion (knockout). That and its associated sports are the ones that cause the most real damage.

For the ambulance chasers, it is understandable. It's because there is no concentration deep pool of money to sue for. A one time win in a class action suit, makes collecting $millions as simple as having your legal secretary send in a form letter. For that the legal thieves get 1/3 of the lifetime earnings of the poor unfortunate. Not bad for thirty seconds of effort.

But where is your concern for the participants?
I agree that the individual has to decide the risk and whether its worth it.
I do not agree that someone who is part of an organization who hid the truth from those individuals should defend the way they handled it while saying it is worth the risk.

If you made Krafts comments, aside from the part where the NY Times story is inaccurate, I would have no issue with it because you are not part of the organization that misled the people making that decision.
 
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