Proposing a contract between Matt Forte and the New England Patriots

Proposing a contract between Matt Forte and the New England Patriots

Miguel Benzan

Proposing a contract between Matt Forte and the New England Patriots

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I don't see it Miguel ... Do you really think Belichick will spend @ 8-9 million on the RB unit which will take 3-4 million away from other positions.

Using your own numbers 2015:

Cap Spending
Patriots $5,576,772
Average $6,964,286
High $18,528,750
Low $1,879,939

The Patriots rank 18th in cap spending at the running back position. The Vikings are number 1, and the Titans are number 32. - See more at:
Comparing New England Patriots Cap spending versus the other 31 NFL Teams

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IcyPatriot said:

I don't see it Miguel ... Do you really think Belichick will spend @ 8-9 million on the RB unit which will take 3-4 million away from other positions.

Using your own numbers 2015:

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Yep. Not gonna happen. Only way they get him is a 2-2.5 max for 2 years. Forte won't be coming here.

IcyPatriot said:

I don't see it Miguel ... Do you really think Belichick will spend @ 8-9 million on the RB unit which will take 3-4 million away from other positions.

Using your own numbers 2015:

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Where are you getting 8 to 9 million?

Miguel said:

Those numbers are from June. Things changed since then.

Note to self - compile all cap spending on RBs in 2015.

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I don't see Belichick spending 7+ million the the RB group with more than 1/2 on 1 guy. If he wants a vet I see Belichick making a run at Lamar Miller for @ 2.5 million he can run /catch ... he has great speed and most of all he's 24 years old. Belichick then could keep that unit under 6 million.

IcyPatriot said:

I don't see Belichick spending 7+ million the the RB group with more than 1/2 on 1 guy. If he wants a vet I see Belichick making a run at Lamar Miller for @ 2.5 million he can run /catch ... he has great speed and most of all he's 24 years old. Belichick then could keep that unit under 6 million.

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There's been talk of Miller getting in the $4-5 million per year range himself. It seems to be almost unanimous that the Dolphins misused him, and when every team thinks they're going to get a bargain then no team is going to get a bargain.

IcyPatriot said:

I don't see Belichick spending 7+ million the the RB group with more than 1/2 on 1 guy. If he wants a vet I see Belichick making a run at Lamar Miller for @ 2.5 million he can run /catch ... he has great speed and most of all he's 24 years old. Belichick then could keep that unit under 6 million.

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I agree with your thinking on keeping the RB unit on the cheaper side of things, but I'm not quite as sure about a guy like Miller only bringing in 2.5 million dollars per year, especially after just seeing a similar, lesser player in Vereen pull in 4 million a season.

I think the RB market bounced back significantly last year, and would be surprised to see guys like Miller and Forte making less than that.

Sciz said:

There's been talk of Miller getting in the $4-5 million per year range himself. It seems to be almost unanimous that the Dolphins misused him, and when every team thinks they're going to get a bargain then no team is going to get a bargain.

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Yes, I agree, and was typing a similar comment at the same time you were, so apologies.

They need to spend at RB, it's one of the few units on the team that desperately needs an upgrade and talent is there at a reasonable cost. We aren't talking about 8-10 million a season we are talking about 4-5 and that's as reasonable as it gets. If people want to go cheap then don't ***** when Brady takes a beating and the OL can't stop the pass rush because defenses know exactly what they are going to do.

Draft one

Never mind a negotiation.

Have BB take him to Davios and scribble a couple of plays

Personally, I prefer the simpler 3/$12M contracts. I actually prefer's Gore's contract which has #3M of new money for Year 3M, rather than $2M.

But yes, it worth $4M a year for Brady to have RB like Forte as an alternative to passing 50 tines a game.

For those who want to go with a $1M RB again, consider this a $3M a year insurance policy for Brady.

Brady might play until 2020. However, if we really want him to be effect for 2016-2018, Belichick should get him a RB.

The Patriots need a running game bad to take some pressure off of tom brady he is 39 it will help the offense balance out and cut down on the hits brady takes

12Brady said:

Draft one

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If thats the root Bill takes I will be beyond pissed. This season I want us to draft for depth to strengths. Without a 1st round pick we can't expect immediate contribution from anyone, we need to develop them. Our weaknesses should, must, be addressed in F/A.

It's important to have multiple RBs that can catch. I love Dion Lewis but he could easily go down again.

This season I've seen a lot of rookie RBs come out of nowhere to be very productive.

supafly said:

I think the RB market bounced back significantly last year, and would be surprised to see guys like Miller and Forte making less than that.

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If what Forte says is really true I wouldn't be shocked if Miller will make significantly more money next year than Forte.

I don't see any issue with Forte/Lewis/Blount/Bolden as our RB unit. White flashed a few times but could never take over the same way Lewis did and if Lewis looks good in camp White will become expendable. If Blount would stay for a vet minimum contract he'd be a good closer down the road. And Bolden can continue his role as exceptional ST player and depth.

luuked said:

If what Forte says is really true I wouldn't be shocked if Miller will make significantly more money next year than Forte.

I don't see any issue with Forte/Lewis/Blount/Bolden as our RB unit. White flashed a few times but could never take over the same way Lewis did and if Lewis looks good in camp White will become expendable. If Blount would stay for a vet minimum contract he'd be a good closer down the road. And Bolden can continue his role as exceptional ST player and depth.

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I'm great with that scenario, but I don't think James White is expendable at all.

Lewis has had a few fairly serious injuries, so he's needed in the 3rd down back role for that reason alone. He's also on a cheap, rookie deal and coming off a year in which he showed some flashes/improvement.

VectorPrime said:

If thats the root Bill takes I will be beyond pissed. This season I want us to draft for depth to strengths. Without a 1st round pick we can't expect immediate contribution from anyone, we need to develop them. Our weaknesses should, must, be addressed in F/A.

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Yeah, but RB is the kind of position where a rookie can contribute here, especially if he's playing more of a limited role. Had Belichick used Ridley in the SB his rookie year we may have won. He was looking good and lost a couple of fumbles late in the year which put him in the doghouse.

I just can't see him bringing in a higher priced FA when we already have Lewis ready to take about 60 percent of the reps at the position, other needs, the likelihood of a draft pick (no matter what happens), and an offense that will continue to run through our passing attack.

I'd love to see a RB like Forte come here, but the concern is that Belichick may see us able to get by on the cheap again, while addressing the OL instead, and it's possible that may be better.

supafly said:

I'm great with that scenario, but I don't think James White is expendable at all.

Lewis has had a few fairly serious injuries, so he's needed in the 3rd down back role for that reason alone. He's also on a cheap, rookie deal and coming off a year in which he showed some flashes/improvement.

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In case Forte lands here I think Lewis will have a considerably reduced role than he had this year. Of course it can't prevent any freak injuries but should lower the risk. In that scenario I just don't see any roster space for White. Bolden has immense ST value so he is safe, and Blount provides something that White can't.

I should have formulated it differently but I just don't know how to keep him on the team without giving up some depth in other departments.

luuked said:

In case Forte lands here I think Lewis will have a considerably reduced role than he had this year. Of course it can't prevent any freak injuries but should lower the risk. In that scenario I just don't see any roster space for White. Bolden has immense ST value so he is safe, and Blount provides something that White can't.

I should have formulated it differently but I just don't know how to keep him on the team without giving up some depth in other departments.

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Your opening sentence is the main reason why I'm concerned that Belichick may choose to use the money elsewhere. We already have a pretty nice piece on the cheap with Lewis. I don't know if it makes financial sense to lessen his role significantly after just paying him.

One may argue that a couple of cheap backs like Morris and Blount would be much better use of our cap to spend on the OL, particularly since we already have 2 receiving backs with Lewis/White.