I thought I read Amendola...

Rhodey · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
I disagree and the posters above get it. If given the targets he would put up numbers reflective of what he was going to earn (assuming he stayed healthy). Even Brady 6 admitted that not long ago.

You are looking at his number which have nothing to do with it. They are not going to work him like a horse because the offense dosent function like that and he would probably get hurt. He is who they wanted originally they just chose not to use him like a WW and can feel better about it since they are paying him a much smaller salary.

Consider that it depends who they play. BB's consistency is being inconsistent; making a plan for each team.

IllegalContact · Nov 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
DA is not better than Welker

WW has had a better,more productive career than JE but player vs player it's real close. I've argued for WW for 3 years now and I'm not sure anymore.

welker was a workhorse........I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.......

people have short memories

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

Rhodey said:
Consider that it depends who they play. BB's consistency is being inconsistent; making a plan for each team.

I think BB should play the Skins with the DA/Chandler plan.

RobertWeathers · Nov 4, 2015

IllegalContact said:
welker was a workhorse........I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.......

people have short memories

Me neither. Dreading what he'll be like when hes 54.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

IllegalContact said:
welker was a workhorse........I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.......

people have short memories

People dont like WW because of where he went and how it ended and the 2 drops. Whatever. Welker was a little twerp and went to the enemy. But the guy was a slot machine and posters here went bezerk when they found out we lost him.

If I sat down with knowledgeable football peeps and the subject of greatest slot WR came up, I would be pretty confident that WW would be part of that discussion.

Rhodey · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
I think BB should play the Skins with the DA/Chandler plan.

I've been wondering about Chandler. And we all got excited when he was signed. Not much happened after that, but he has a great attitude and wants to win...in the right place. With that said, methinks, he'll be highlighted when other teams don't expect it; forget about him. Then- BOOM...big play! meanwhile, he's a great blocker, and they contribute on each play.

RobertWeathers · Nov 4, 2015

Rhodey said:
Consider that it depends who they play. BB's consistency is being inconsistent; making a plan for each team.

Yes and no. Yes that they are a game plan team but depending on the player's talent and extensibility within the system, if they are awesome they will see the ball no matter what.

Going off the reservation to make a point here....The Pats aren't going to "go away" from Gronk because they think their game plan is better with him not getting thrown to.

RobertWeathers · Nov 4, 2015

IllegalContact said:
3rd down for first First downs receiving:

Edelman 7
Gronk 5
Amendola 7
Lewis 3

the thing is that the pats are converting 1st and 2nd downs into 1st downs at a >50% clip

Thats obscene.

IllegalContact · Nov 4, 2015

interesting factoid......the pats offense has 174 first downs.....they got 40 (of 85) of the on 3rd down and 3 on 4 down

which means that 131 first downs came on 1st or 2nd down and 85 got to 3rd down......meaning he pats get a 1st down without getting to 3rd down 60% or so of the time

now I know what they're doing............they believe that opponents don't have enough pass rushes in them to go after the pats the entire game......even Denver.........they're simply forcing opponents to pass rush every down

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

Rhodey said:
I've been wondering about Chandler. And we all got excited when he was signed. Not much happened after that, but he has a great attitude and wants to win...in the right place. With that said, methinks, he'll be highlighted when other teams don't expect it; forget about him. Then- BOOM...big play! meanwhile, he's a great blocker, and they contribute on each play.

He has been great. His targets are off by 1/2 so the stats arent indicative of what he is doing. Great backup for Gronk, option on 3 TE especially as a decoy, great hands,

As I said in another thread he is Antonio Gates compared to Hooman and hoo had ok hands.

RayClay · Nov 4, 2015

Yes

convertedpatsfan said:
This is what I think you must have seen:

Football | NFL | Leaders - 1st Down Catches, 3rd Down - washingtonpost.com

Jules has caught up but still, pretty good production from our #3 guy.

It's also rare for a #3 WR to be capable of taking over for one of the top 2 guys without much loss of production. Think about Dallas when Dez went down, and nobody really emerged. Or Steve Smith Sr. on the Ravens. Dola isn't as good as Jules, but could fill in that spot adequately, and he did well with all his extra reps without LaFell around.

Our WR options lack what many consider the prototypical tall #1-type WR like a Julio Jones or AJ Green or Calvin Johnson, but there's a lot of quality depth when your #3 could easily fill in for your #2 or #1. Dola just lacks as many opportunities, though he's taking advantage of the ones he gets.

Yes, that is the point. Any one guy can be stopped and it's happened to us. Our offense, plus LaFell, is just an endless supply of viable options.

RayClay · Nov 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
Thats the issue and you implied it in your earlier post and below. He has not proven to be durable and more durable players play more snaps. Add to that JE and JoJo as better players as the other reasons why he is the 3rd WR on the team.

Numbers are numbers. They dont tell the whole story but are the best representation for overall production. I would differ in saying that DA did not turn out to be what they wanted. As you said they wanted a 100 catch/1300yd guy to replace WW. Sadly, it just didn't work out that way.

Take a step back for a second. I agree that they are using him properly and maximizing his production on the team. WR3, 1st downs, kicking game, etc. Hes doing a bang-up job and we are all glad he is here on the team. For a WR3 they are paying him a good chunk of change. Because of his versatility, he deserves it.

My thoughts with your post are that you are arguing that he is a superstar without superstar production and that he would have x stats if they threw to him the same as a WR1. The reality is that for a couple of reasons (health and better players in front of him) is that he isn't and can't be that. Hes also been in the league for several seasons, is pushing 30 and has never really approached that level of play.

That is why I feel that you are overrating him.

You're sad that we have Gronk, Edelman and Lewis? why?

Richard Camembert · Nov 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
DA is not better than Welker

WW has had a better,more productive career than JE but player vs player it's real close. I've argued for WW for 3 years now and I'm not sure anymore.

This. WWW had five, maybe six awesome years. JE11 has had two and is headed towards a third great year. Edelman is a superior punt returner but that doesn't outweigh the extra monster years, which Welker paid for and will probably pay for for the rest of the string in the form on concussions. We saw him at the end and he was showing signs of wear and tear, but he was massively reliable and clutch before that. In fact I worry that JE11's trajectory (excellence, head issues, now drops) is distressingly similar to this point and that he'll end up similarly.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

Richard Camembert said:
This. WWW had five, maybe six awesome years. JE11 has had two and is headed towards a third great year. Edelman is a superior punt returner but that doesn't outweigh the extra monster years, which Welker paid for and will probably pay for for the rest of the string in the form on concussions. We saw him at the end and he was showing signs of wear and tear, but he was massively reliable and clutch before that. In fact I worry that JE11's trajectory (excellence, head issues, now drops) is distressingly similar to this point and that he'll end up similarly.

I worry JE is gonna break down too. He is already leading the NFL in drops. Not sure what to make of it.

BTW age for age there is about a 2 yard punt return difference (career) between WW and JE. Welker was a really great punt returner so JE being 2 yards better shows how good he is, but superior is perhaps not the right word.

patfanken · Nov 4, 2015

Just one quick point. Part of Brady's efficiency this year is because for the first time in a long time, most of the receivers Brady is working with have had more than a year's time with him. Only Lewis and Chandler are new.......and to a lesser extent Martin. It will only get better next year.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

I was thinking about that as well. Its been a while since he has had the same main targets back for several years. 3rd year with DA already.

Archeryaddict12 · Nov 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
DA is not better than Welker

WW has had a better,more productive career than JE but player vs player it's real close. I've argued for WW for 3 years now and I'm not sure anymore.

Welker was a workhorse but given DA's accomplishments compared to welkers, which we care about performance on the biggest stages in patriot land. Da has clearly edged welker. Welker was great but da has the edge in the most important category, so does Jules.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

Troy Brown pisses on all of them.

woolster22 · Nov 4, 2015

Bruins29 said:
He has been great. His targets are off by 1/2 so the stats arent indicative of what he is doing. Great backup for Gronk, option on 3 TE especially as a decoy, great hands,

As I said in another thread he is Antonio Gates compared to Hooman and hoo had ok hands.

Hooman was a JAG ay best. I truly loathed seeing him on the field in obvious run situations when Develin was (probably still would be with his current injury as well) head and shoulders above him as a run blocker.

As a receiver, Hooman only got the ball when the defence forgot about him, and even then couldn't do much with it after the catch. Dude was pathetic. What McDaniels saw in him is well beyond me.

I'm just amazed we actually got someone with actual upside in return. I would have been happy with a flaming bag of dog **** and a conditional 2026 8th rounder, you know, in case the draft is expanded or something.

Edit: hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Sean Payton worked out a deal with BB. After SB50 is cemented with a Hicks sack, BB immediately announces a trade with NO. McDaniels for Payton. McDaniels first order of business is buying Vaseline, then drawing up an extension for Hooman.

Bruins29 · Nov 4, 2015

Reember when Hoo made that one hand catch?

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