PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Brady has hired Jeffrey Kessler as per Schefter


Status
Not open for further replies.
This is the key for me as well. They are punishing Brady because they think he may have known about something they can't even prove happened. That's as ridiculous as it gets, and it lowers the bar to a level that only Stalin would be comfortable with. Everyone is thrilled they are using it to f.ck the Patriots but they won't be when the circus comes to their town.

It's like some guy with a clean record gets accused of robbing a bank. The police investigate that guy, but can only find some very weak circumstantial evidence. Meanwhile, the bank has reported that it does in fact have all of its money and was not robbed. But the D.A. goes ahead and prosecutes the guy anyway. It makes no sense.
 
There is NO evidence that the balls were deflated.
SHOULD be Game Over.

actually there was. the balls at halftime were measured lower than they were at the start of the game. they were deflated, probably due to natural causes.
 
But yesterday Wells said he had 'direct evidence' of guilt against brady, citing the e-mails as the direct evidence. Sorry ted, even I know that is not direct evidence, nowhere does brady tell them to deflate the balls to below league min.

It's statements like the "direct evidence" one from Wells that make him look like he never received a law degree. It's shocking really that a lawyer who is that prominent is that sloppy. Since when are texts between two people "direct evidence" against a third party? Kessler is going to destroy the Wells Report and hopefully Wells reputation in the process.
 
actually there was. the balls at halftime were measured lower than they were at the start of the game. they were deflated, probably due to natural causes.

To clarify no evidence that the balls were deflated by humans
The psi drop as I have posted here dozens of times since the first hours after the news broke is explained by physics.

There is no there there.
 
To clarify no evidence that the balls were deflated by humans
The psi drop as I have posted here dozens of times since the first hours after the news broke is explained by physics.

There is no there there.

the ideal gas law predicts (accordng to wells own report) that the PSI measurements should have been between 11.32-11.5 PSI. prileau's measurements confirmed that 8 of the 11 balls tested (as well as the ball intercepted by jackson) were within the predicted range. blakeman's measurements suggest they were below. the problem is they have no idea which guage was used before the game. anderson says it was to the best of his recollection it was the loge guage with the crooked needle - the same one prileau used - so that would suggest no tampering. however, wells ignores this and said anderson used the other guage instead. so wells is basically overruling walt anderson's own memory.
 
Part of me wants justice for all this stuff -I'm a gigantic pats fan and tailgate every home game. Since I truly believe that even if we did deflate the balls, Brady is getting crucified and punished for something that isn't a big deal.

Another part of me is wondering if making a stink about this is the best idea and going to help our reputation at all. Also - how would this affect the patriots position in other league matters? Kraft was one of the most respected owners in the league and seemed he had some pull. Some have said that Goodell had support of rest of owners when he made this decision - does this alienate us? does it even matter?
 
the ideal gas law predicts (accordng to wells own report) that the PSI measurements should have been between 11.32-11.5 PSI. prileau's measurements confirmed that 8 of the 11 balls tested (as well as the ball intercepted by jackson) were within the predicted range. blakeman's measurements suggest they were below. the problem is they have no idea which guage was used before the game. anderson says it was to the best of his recollection it was the loge guage with the crooked needle - the same one prileau used - so that would suggest no tampering. however, wells ignores this and said anderson used the other guage instead. so wells is basically overruling walt anderson's own memory.

Regardless of which gauge used ALL measurements not even averaged fall within the error bars
No published error bars = shoddy "science"
 
You may be right about that, but unless someone else like McNally steps up and takes full responsibility without any knowledge of Brady, he can never really be truly exonerated.

The NFL and Wells outlined a sinister attempt at tarnishing his image, and no matter what happens with his penalty, they've succeeded on some level. A reduction in his suspension will help, but the media and opposition will continue to focus on the lost draft picks, and the controversy, just the same way they did with N.Orleans--even though Vilma had his stuff overturned.

It's ********.


The Media still has little understanding how the gas law works. Even "our" media outlets do not fully understand the principles of the Ideal Gas Law.

1. If you take a football from a warm room and take it to Antarctica or any where else that is colder or hotter than in that room it will lose or gain pressure. It doesn't lose air. It just loses pressure. When that ball is returned to that original room it will return to its original pressure. When air is heated it expands when air is cooled it contracts and when that air is in a football that air causes the pressure to change.

But I keep hearing radio show hosts asking "How did they (the players, the refs etc) not recognize that pressure was lost in the balls?" The fact is no player in NFL history has not recognized this and if any player has played in a cold weather game they were playing with deflated footballs.

Why is that important.

1. IF the NFL had not re-inflated those footballs they believed the Pats deflated and just set them aside in the referees locker room those footballs would have returned to their initial pressure. If they didn't then someone tampered.

2. After all the scientific data was gathered in the Wells report they are implying that McNally possibly removed 0.3 psi from those footballs.

If you believe that and have read the text messages it looks like that if anything happened at all , it was only to ensure that they were at 12.5-13 psi and not at 16 as they were after the Jets game.
 
Bedard has been a real ass. On the radio he was borderline mocking Don Yee. Suggesting that Wells smacked him down yesterday and he couldn't even respond to it. Also that he did Brady no favors with his initial response. Joining in on Felger's crap.

Someone new to the **** list.
 
Another part of me is wondering if making a stink about this is the best idea and going to help our reputation at all. Also - how would this affect the patriots position in other league matters? Kraft was one of the most respected owners in the league and seemed he had some pull. Some have said that Goodell had support of rest of owners when he made this decision - does this alienate us? does it even matter?

Some have suggested that other owners disagree with our punishment, even starting a thread on how many owners it would take to remove Goodell from office (24).

I haven't seen one hint of that anywhere. As a matter of fact, it seems that he's getting public support--not the other way around.
 
While I am a bit more optimistic on what the Patriots can gain (greater doubt about Goodell/Wells among the public has its own reward to me) and the chance at Brady's suspension on paper being nearly erased, I largely agree with you. A magic bullet that makes this all better is almost completely unrealistic. The emperor will still be here and the Patriots will always be guilty in the eyes of the putrid but most important jury, goodell and the rest of the NFL Stasi. And making enemies with the NFL exec office is likely to have some, though probably only smallish, level of ripple effect on the team (just is what it is -- they control many things the Patriots have to interact within).

The other benefit not listed regards the NFL going nuclear on the Spygate thing. The Patriots took it without so much as a peep. IMHO it was that acquiescence that helped embolden the NFL exec office to go nuclear again. Gotta set the tone that you better be prepared for outright war if you are going to go nuclear a third time. When people think there will be a war to fought they almost always think twice about going nuclear (what's the old saying? Never strike a man in anger unless you are absolutely sure you can get away with it?).

Getting Brady's suspension all but erased and Goodell/Wells fairness and integrity being impugned by an a third party (an arbitrator, a judge, our own expert reports, any of them) for me will be very satisfying if it can happen (will it? at best maybe). I realize it will be an ugly process and I am not happy about it, however, what the NFL execs did from day 1 of this is appalling up to and including going nuclear on the Patriots and Patriot Nation. I say F 'em! It never ever had to be this but they wanted this way -- so let's give them the nuclear war they started. We are already as dirty as we can get! more dirt means nothing for us but every bit on them will have an effect (just desserts in my book!).

Terrific post, TBS. You are obviously a very wise man, and raise many good points.
 
I do worry that the Pats are never going to get a call again and have the hugging/pushing/non calls/garbage always be a parts of our games going forward, assuming this moves forward and Kessler beats the **** out of Goddell and his minions.

I think if it gets that far the pats would need a change in comish or VP of officiating if they ever want to expect to be treated fairly on the field. It was already bad before this whole abortion.
 
Part of me wants justice for all this stuff -I'm a gigantic pats fan and tailgate every home game. Since I truly believe that even if we did deflate the balls, Brady is getting crucified and punished for something that isn't a big deal.

Another part of me is wondering if making a stink about this is the best idea and going to help our reputation at all. Also - how would this affect the patriots position in other league matters? Kraft was one of the most respected owners in the league and seemed he had some pull. Some have said that Goodell had support of rest of owners when he made this decision - does this alienate us? does it even matter?

I think you're in the wrong place.

I like the idea that Brady is thinking more like this guy;

 
I would love nothing more than for Wells to have his name tarnished as a result of this and lose his livelihood.
 
Good article about this and the options in the Globe this morning

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...cM/story.html?p1=Article_InThisSection_Bottom

For all those ra-ra 'Brady going nuclear' posters from yesterday, suggest you read - options are limited and suing for defamation requires a high burden of proof
Who the hell negotiated the CBA? It looks like it gives Goodell absolute, virtually unreviewable, power to be as arbitrary and capricious as he likes. WTF?
 
Some have suggested that other owners disagree with our punishment, even starting a thread on how many owners it would take to remove Goodell from office (24).

I haven't seen one hint of that anywhere. As a matter of fact, it seems that he's getting public support--not the other way around.

Well I doubt the owners are going to come out publicly and say how they are talking about getting rid of him. As for the public support, gotta keep the public facade going just a bit longer.
 
Who the hell negotiated the CBA? It looks like it gives Goodell absolute, virtually unreviewable, power to be as arbitrary and capricious as he likes. WTF?

Pay no attention to the post or article, it was written by the miami fanboy hack ben volin.
 
I think you're in the wrong place.

I like the idea that Brady is thinking more like this guy;


hahah - I am ticked off we lost picks and wont have TB12 but over the course of the day I've started to "embrace the villain"
 
Pay no attention to the post or article, it was written by the miami fanboy hack ben volin.
I also don't understand the "disparate treatment" theory in the article. I've always understood this to mean Title VII action based on discrimination. Title VII clearly doesn't apply here.
 
To be totally honest I care more about exoneration/exposing the league's agenda/corruption/ineptitude. Basically, I want the league to suffer. If that happens and the PAts don't get any picks back, I'll still be happy.

I want blood. Lots of it. Then I can laugh in their faces even more.

At first, before the SB win , I was pretty down about all the bs and skipped everything. Now, I can't get enough football talk of any kind. Everything, even all the happy horse***t, just keeps leading me back to the greatest defensive play in the entire history of the NFL.

Then, I smile.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


Patriots Now Have to Get to Work After Taking Maye
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf and Jerod Mayo After Patriots Take Drake Maye
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/25: News and Notes
Patriots Kraft ‘Involved’ In Decision Making?  Zolak Says That’s Not the Case
MORSE: Final First Round Patriots Mock Draft
Slow Starts: Stark Contrast as Patriots Ponder Which Top QB To Draft
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/24: News and Notes
Tuesday Patriots Notebook 4/23: News and Notes
MORSE: Final 7 Round Patriots Mock Draft, Matthew Slater News
Bruschi’s Proudest Moment: Former LB Speaks to MusketFire’s Marshall in Recent Interview
Back
Top