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Schefter: Has Heard Speculation Colts might have deflated the footballs


The Goon must swing.

Joe Kerr has spoken...so let it be written...so let it be done.
 
If a bully steals your lunch money then you call him a thief. If you steal your money back its retribution. I suppose you could call that hypocrisy, since you decried stealing but that's a stupid way to look at it IMO. Police putting kidnappers in jail are hypocrites! If they think it's wrong to lock someone up how can they do it to others?

Colts, and many other teams have been rumored to have done shady **** before and Pats fans never started a witch hunt. Just like plenty of receivers used stickum and nobody ever gave a **** around here. Jerry wanted to call the Pats cheats, so we will return the favor, same with the Colts.

I for one will sleep just fine at night, and anyone who doesn't like it can hop on their high horse and ride to another thread IMO.
 
If the media has no bias, why have there been no press conferences over the Browns texting, Rice's remarks, or the Atlanta crowd noise?

Of course there's been a strong bias. I was talking to a peer from the U.K. before the Super Bowl (who doesn't follow American football) and he was thoroughly confused with the American pastime of turning on excellence if it's been too long.

Saying the media was just doing their job would only be true if they went after the other stories with the same vigor. They haven't and won't but if the Patriots do get fined along with Atlanta and the Browns, you can bet that the story will be the Patriots and the others will be largely ignored.
 
It wasn't a national story until the ESPN propaganda machine helped make it one.

Wasn't that virtually immediately after the game? This didn't start as a local story and blow up, it was in the national sports media from step one.

Are you under the impression that at no time in the history of the NFL, a game was never once played with a football at 12.3 PSI? That in no time in history the weather conditions did not sap some air pressure out of the football?

Of course not, it probably happens all the time.

This is an example of the media and the Patriots enemies inventing reality.

That's where I think you go to far with playing the victim card. Outside of maybe a few, the media doesn't care. They're just looking to make a story. The reality is that the balls WERE below regulation and the opposing team DID ask that it be looked at. That's about the limit of the real facts in this case. I can't blame anyone for reporting on that, but the mob mentality firestorm that followed was the ridiculous part.

If all that happened was "NFL investigating how some footballs in the AFC Championship game were possibly below regulation" panned past the ESPN ticker, nobody, including everyone on this forum, would have thought anything of it, and this would not be a thread. Instead we got Bettis calling the team "felons," whats-his-face mustering fake tears on air, and everyone chiming in to lie about what an obvious advantage it was.

This was a hit job. Not a "story"

This kind of thing happens all the time in all areas of life. A story catches fire and you see all kinds of garbage reporting and pundits fighting to get their opinion heard. I think you're going way too far to say that this was planned. I consider it more a case of '**** happens'.

Also, just as many people said it wasn't an advantage at all. Of course the ones making a big deal out of it were squawking a lot louder than the ones being rational about it. What would you be doing if you were trying to get your name in print? Providing a rational take or screaming 'CHEATERS!'. I think we all know how this works.
 
IMO the leak to Kravitz was intentional as he had a hard on for the Pats and they knew he would unleash his vitriol, the timing was everything in the middle of the night so we could all wake up to this news, Brady laughed initially and Belichick seemed surprised..

Then late Monday Night Mort released some info, followed by Peter Kings early Wednesday release...

All of this is planned and orchestrated, however do not think that they anticipated that the Pats would fight back with Kraft and Belichick blowing up their theories..

They will find something to save face, in my heart I hope they find that Indy was guilty of wrong doing and they take away their #1 pick and make them pick after the Patriots for the next draft..

No saving face, no passing Go, no friggin' collecting $200.00.

Go directly to jail Colts/Omissioner/NFL!
 
If a bully steals your lunch money then you call him a thief. If you steal your money back its retribution.

How is it stealing if it's your own property?

So if someone stole your $100, would you feel justified in going and stealing $100 from some other random person?

That's what we're talking about here.
 
Lots of good comments in this thread.

If what Schefter is saying turns out to be provable, I'd love to see Irsay, Grigson, Pagano and/or other members of the Colts staff hung out to dry on this, to the tune of huge fines, suspensions, draft picks and even a banning or two from the League.

However, if this does turn out to be provable, I think the punishment will come down to how far Kraft is prepared to go behind the scenes to push for severe retribution. He seems to be pretty damn mad, if his demeanor on the podium last Sunday is indication. Will that anger translate into a desire for retribution or will he use it for other purposes?

The NFL owners are a clubby group and one owner never know when he is going to need support from other owners down the line.

Will Kraft insist that, for example, Grigson be banned or Pagano suspended in addition to fines and draft picks or will he decide to put a big deposit in the favor bank with the other owners and settle for the fines and draft picks? Or will he accept lesser penalties in exchange for Goodell's promise (in writing) to step down at the end of next season for "personal reasons" or some other ********?
 
However, if this does turn out to be provable, I think the punishment will come down to how far Kraft is prepared to go behind the scenes to push for severe retribution. He seems to be pretty damn mad, if his demeanor on the podium last Sunday is indication. Will that anger translate into a desire for retribution or will he use it for other purposes?

Two thoughts here:

1.
Robert Kraft said:
I never thought another trophy could feel as special, but this one absolutely does!

Hmmm. I wonder why this one was so special? Hint: it's not the game itself.

2. Someone (Peter King?) noted that Robert Kraft was not at Goodell's little shindig the week before the Super Bowl—the very first time that had happened.

I think he'll be OK with fine + draft picks, and, frankly, so would I.
 
Not just the apparent absence of due process (allowing the Patriots to see the putative evidence against them and to respond to it).

To be fair, we don't know that that is(n't) happening.

As a case in point, the "video focusing on the ballboy" was furnished by the Patriots. They know what's on there.
 
How is it stealing if it's your own property?

So if someone stole your $100, would you feel justified in going and stealing $100 from some other random person?

That's what we're talking about here.
No, we are not. Colts started the rumor, Colts are being targeted.
 
What appears certain right now is a lot of false information was being distributed that made the Patriots look bad. Kraft has to be irate that the powers that be let his team twist in the wind. Considering the talk of transparency this is unacceptable. Integrity my ass.
 
If the media has no bias, why have there been no press conferences over the Browns texting, Rice's remarks, or the Atlanta crowd noise?

You're confusing 'bias' with the real issues - lazy reporting and the 24 hour news cycle.

I highly doubt that there's any bias here on the part of the media. Their audience, however, is highly biased and "Patriots cheated" is an instant media bonanza. "Browns actually cheated" gets a yawn or a smirk.

To suggest that there's a cabal of media types who have it out for the Patriots is silly. The storyline is 'successful team that you hate gets accused of cheating' is simply an easy one to sell for a big return.
 
To be fair, we don't know that that is(n't) happening.

As a case in point, the "video focusing on the ballboy" was furnished by the Patriots. They know what's on there.

When Kraft spoke to the Press it was very clear that he knew very little about the course of the investigation. For instance, what balls were examined, what pressure they were found to be at, what comparisons were made with the balls used by the Colts. All of those are very relevant to determining whether something untoward was there in the first place. But the Patriots don't seem to have been kept informed.
 
Again, from the perspective of a journalist, what's been amazing about this story is the total lack of caution by the reporters covering it.

Good reporters live in constant terror of stories blowing up in their faces. That's why you don't run major breaking news stories based on a single unnamed source. Someone who tells a reporter something w/o attribution can easily have an agenda, knowing that if it turns out to be wrong, the reporter is going to take the heat, not the source.

People like Kravitz and Mortensen were incredibly reckless to run these stories. It's the journalistic equivalent of unsafe sex. To a lesser degree people like Ben Volin were making the same mistake when they let unnamed sources point a finger at Harbaugh.

With these scandals, you have to stand firm with sources and tell them: if you want to lob an accusation at someone, put your name on it. Unless you've checked the info six ways to Sunday, it's otherwise too big a risk, professionally to say nothing of morally, to accuse people in public without hard evidence. It's incredible that so many reporters got sucked into this.

Don,

Appreciate your input from the perspective of a journalist.

Request: what can fans like us do to counteract such smears by columnists?

For instance: in today's Metro (NYC edition), a sports columnist, Marc Malusis (and host on CBS sports radio) casually states in his column today (" Calm Down On The 'Brady is best' storyline") that "Deflated footballs dominated conversation on radio and in newspaer columns for the better part of 13 days. So, a cheater and a liar is now the greatest! Right?"

I am pissed off and angry that this guy doesn't have the decency to acknowledge that none of us have the facts and yet he thinks he has enough to brand TB as a cheater and liar.

I am fuming and want to take him to task but helpless about the best way to go about it.

Your guidance would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance!
 
To suggest that there's a cabal of media types who have it out for the Patriots is silly.

That depends upon what you consider "media types" I guess, but since they are given a microphone and asked to talk on behalf of some network or another, I'd consider guys like Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Merrill Hoge, Jerry Rice, et. al. to be "media types" and they do not exactly have a neutral/show me the evidence point of view on the Patriots.

And to suggest that Kravitz and Doyle don't have it out for the Pats is hard to argue IMO. They went straight to the "fire Bill Belichick" card
 
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The entire story, which is all rumor to this point in time.

The only semi-credible report said that the balls were below league minimum, and the one turned in by the Colts was significantly below. So, what rumor did the Colts start? Has there been any linking to any of the information to the Colts or has it been leaked by NFL sources. My impression was that these things were coming from NFL sources, but I haven't really followed it all that closely.

EDIT: Actually, did the NFL announce that the balls were below the minimum?
 
That depends upon what you consider "media types" I guess, but since they are given a microphone and asked to talk on behalf of some network or another, I'd consider guys like Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Merrill Hoge, Jerry Rice, et. al. to be "media types" and they do not exactly have a neutral/show me the evidence point of view on the Patriots.

The media we all grew up with is much different than today's media, facts are less important then social media recognition.. which is how their success is defined.

Said this previously, but Marshal McLuhan's discussion of the medium becoming the message is never more salient as it is now..
 


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