Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

Joey007 · Jan 21, 2015

Big-T said:
Because they were done with it when Rapsheet and Blandino said 1 ball was taken out of circulation.

Who are you going to trust here...the guy who runs the refs and a guy who works for NFL media or a bunch of hacks?

Exactly. It's also interesting how their are concrete reports of players/coaches not caring about this (i.e. Mike Zimmer) yet there's no concrete evidence of any coaches supporting Glazer's claim. Just "sources."

Dog **** can count as a source if it speaks to you.

PatriotSpy · Jan 21, 2015

Danger Zone said:
No it doesnt.

But some first grade math gets us there.

There is a window of variance allowed by the NFL in what it deems acceptable, 12.5 psi to 13.5 psi.

That is an allowable variance of 1 psi.

The Patriots footballs all came in at 11 psi.

This means that they were under-inflated by a total of 1.5 psi.

The Patriots could have submitted footballs in the 12.5 range and the Colts in the 13.5 range.

They both could have lost the exact same amount of psi due to cooling effects and ended up with one set of footballs being under-inflated and the other set still being within reasonable legal bounds.

This difference is extremely exaggerated once you start calculating in what the temperature of the air was that each teams used to inflate their balls.

One team using outdoor air and the other using indoor air = huge difference in lost psi over the course of the next hour or so.

One team using 70 degree indoor and air and the other using warmer 82 degree and you've still got a huge difference in psi.

None of these factors is unrealistic.

Each of them accounts for the leaked (and as yet unofficial) findings.

Two factors taken together (Colts submitted higher allowed psi footballs and used cooler air than the Patriots in inflating their footballs) and there is no cheating.. what so ever.

It's just shocking to me that we as fans of football are even talking about this. People on ESPN and all other sports networks should be talking about the super bowl and instead we're talking about PSI variance. Again, if this was such a major rule then the NFL should have hired neutral ball boys or girls or men or women to handle the damn balls. A billion dollar f'n sports league.

kennyb · Jan 21, 2015

obgod3 said:
Except it doesn't explain why the Colts footballs measured up just fine.

You don't know that they did. Don't know what they initially measured in at and don't know where they were initially (what temperature) they were pumped up at.

Pat Riot · Jan 21, 2015

zipster9 said:
Not due to temperature, based on all the expert-math-science-physics folks. Worst is 1/2 PSI drop based on the conditions that night. That still does not account for 1-1/2 PSIs. Also, all 11 footballs would not uniformly drop exactly that amount.

Never the less, everyone brace for the penalty by end of week.

Another "tainted asterisk" next to BillB and TomB names.. Sigh.

Yep. The ball boy is a master of psi

NJPatsfan26 · Jan 21, 2015

slash83 said:
The only person we should be listening to himself said only 1, one, uno, single, ball was taken from circulation. Wtf is the big deal?

its the pats

superbowl week

goodell

indy got burned and are sore

maths and science says we didnt do it

BSPN says we are cheaters

the whole world bough it

Wrath Mania · Jan 21, 2015

New England Pride said:
They wanna move onto the super bowl as well. No way they let this go another 48 hours.

I think it's a two-way street for the league. They want to administer punishment to protect their brand, but... They know from the Ray Rice/Adrian Peterson situations that god damned, actual danger to human beings won't stop people from watching football. In comparison, this may be a gold mine: they know a Super Bowl where the hated Patriots could lose once more might be the most highest rated SB ever.

Fansince77 · Jan 21, 2015

Ivan said:
Lmao, now both Myth Busters and Sports Science have debunked the advantage argument.

Now they should be looking at the small fine and warning only.

Maybe kraft should talk lawsuits agsint ESPN, maybe that will get THEIR attention for once.

RobertWeathers · Jan 21, 2015

rlcarr said:
I expect this is going to be a replay of Cameragate. The league will say (both because it's truthful and because they have no choice but to say it even if it wasn't, especially with a Superbowl team involved) that the balls had no competitive effect, but that NE broke a rule and will need to be made an example of. And since this is the second time around, the penalties will be worse. I expect loss of the first-round pick and BB being suspended for some/all of 2015.

Second time around for what?

Keep in mind, Spygate was over BB not giving a memo it's due attention on where exactly the team could videotape opposing teams and being deceptive to Goody. The media created everything else.

Marinlik · Jan 21, 2015

JMC00 said:
What an absolute crock of **** he is saying. Teams are mad because the book gets thrown at them but not the Pats? What was the last thing the Pats did that has them in trouble with the league? The camera thing. 7 frigging years ago. They pretty much got the book thrown at them for that one.

Then he brings up the jests tampering thing. They did it because Woody Johnson tampered. If Belichick or Kraft did what Johnson did they would have gotten in trouble in a second.

Yeah. What have we done since Spygate that have warranted getting the book thrown on? With the media these days I bet we would hear about anything even slightly book throwing worthy in a second(see deflate). I mean we got the book thrown on us after the Ravens game for a freaking formation. Only there wasn't any book to throw because it was completely legal and the Ref even pointed to Vereen and said "don't cover", so Harbaugh and some parts of the media tried to write a book to throw.

ChesBay · Jan 21, 2015

From a loyal Boston sports fan...and media type:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/opinion/berman-patriots-deflate-gate/index.html

kennyb · Jan 21, 2015

obgod3 said:
OK makes sense but... the report I saw actually said they came in at 10.5 Lbs, not that it makes a difference in your explanation but .5 is a big difference here. I get all the math and agree with you but somehow I dont think the NFL will put any effort into calculating this or ever saying the weather temps could have an affect, if they did it would bring in the credibility of any game played this year. I dont think they will do it, they will hang the Pats for this, just like they would "never" admit if it was a ref mistake.

I read 11. They called that 2 psi low with 13 being the standard. The standard is 12.5 to 13.5 though.

SVN · Jan 21, 2015

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-football-before-dqwell-jackson-interception/

obgod3 · Jan 21, 2015

Joey007 said:
Exactly. It's also interesting how their are concrete reports of players/coaches not caring about this (i.e. Mike Zimmer) yet there's no concrete evidence of any coaches supporting Glazer's claim. Just "sources."

Dog **** can count as a source if it speaks to you.

Well ok thats all true but lets face it Mort has been wrong in the past but not very often, Glazer is rarely wrong. I dont like either of them but they worry me because they tend to get good info, usually. I still find it more interesting that Shefter is not commenting because if anyone knows he does.

ctpatsfan77 · Jan 21, 2015

slash83 said:
The only person we should be listening to himself said only 1, one, uno, single, ball was taken from circulation. Wtf is the big deal?

We also have reports (unconfirmed) that all of the Patriots' first-half balls were taken out of circulation.

Similarly, Harbaugh both did and didn't notice the deflation of footballs, coaches both think this is no big deal and a horrible sin, etc., etc.

At this point, all anyone can do is speculate.

Big-T · Jan 21, 2015

One thing the Sports Science segment has (accidentally?) pointed out: Aaron Rodgers is getting a competitive advantage by over inflating the ball because it will travel quicker, weigh more and as such get to the receivers quicker.

BSR · Jan 21, 2015

JMC00 said:
What an absolute crock of **** he is saying. Teams are mad because the book gets thrown at them but not the Pats? What was the last thing the Pats did that has them in trouble with the league? The camera thing. 7 frigging years ago. They pretty much got the book thrown at them for that one.

Then he brings up the jests tampering thing. They did it because Woody Johnson tampered. If Belichick or Kraft did what Johnson did they would have gotten in trouble in a second.

When did any team have the book thrown at them for anything except the Saints. I was about to say the Ravens except nothing was ever done to them for covering up Ray Rice. In fact, Kraft was stupid enough to back the league about that one. Kraft better smarten up and realize some of his "friends" are trying to crucify him.

BelichickFan · Jan 21, 2015

JMC00 said:
So the nfl was in cahoots with the colts?

If so they're morons unless Goodell just wants to get us. With the year the NFL has had why would they want this ?

If they got a complaint from the Ravens they should have called the Patriots and said "We heard you're doing this. If you are, don't ever do it again. Ever. We'll be watching".

Instead they wanted this crapfest ?

QuantumMechanic · Jan 21, 2015

robertweathers said:
Second time around for what?

Second time around with the league investigating NE.

Joey007 · Jan 21, 2015

obgod3 said:
Well ok thats all true but lets face it Mort has been wrong in the past but not very often, Glazer is rarely wrong. I dont like either of them but they worry me because they tend to get good info, usually. I still find it more interesting that Shefter is not commenting because if anyone knows he does.

Mortensen said that Garropollo was drafted to replace Brady sooner than later earlier this year. Don't give me that crap that he isn't wrong very often.

Schefter also happened to retweet Leinart Tweet which refuted the whole deflate-gate thing.

That could be very telling.

flasox27 · Jan 21, 2015

Ivan said:
Lmao, now both Myth Busters and Sports Science have debunked the advantage argument.

Now they should be looking at the small fine and warning only.

I hope you are right BUT rationality hasn't stopped Goodell in the past. Most of the nation feels IMO irrationally that he was soft on the Pats in the past because of destroying the tapes. Now he has an opportunity to prove his manhood after the beating he took in the past year.

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