Deflate-Gate: Here We Go Again

The NY sub-human contingent chimes in...

Fencer said:

That makes sense, although I have no idea of what formula you're using; I may have known it once, but I last studied chemistry during the first term of the Nixon Administration. And I never actually took a class in thermodynamics ...

But please then tell me -- we're usually told that the ball gets harder in cold weather, not softer. What's that all about?

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IIRC, that has more to do with the leather becoming less pliant at lower temperatures.

kennyb said:

Wouldn't the moisture outside the ball affect the measured psi if the moisture inside the ball was much less? Because it was inflated with drier air?

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No, in theory, the air inside the ball is separated by an "impermeable" rubber membrane.

The pressure/humidity outside of the ball and surrounding the pressure gauge hold little merit.

Fencer said:

That makes sense, although I have no idea of what formula you're using; I may have known it once, but I last studied chemistry during the first term of the Nixon Administration. And I never actually took a class in thermodynamics ...

But please then tell me -- we're usually told that the ball gets harder in cold weather, not softer. What's that all about?

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The leather becoming stiffer for one. The other part is the impact of a stiff object on cold extremities...it feels much harder. Next time it is ten degrees out, go outside for ten minutes with one ungloved hand and one gloved hand. Then clap. Tell me which one hurts more.

Dr Pain said:

The message is that the Colts are so ignorant of science and playing anywhere outside of a dome they don't understand that Gay-Lussac's Law, the scientific law that shows the correlation between temperature change and PSI, proves it would be impossible for a football to maintain its tested PSI as temperatures drop never mind large men squash it. I also think they get freaked out because it has a word in the law they don't like in hicksville. Send this message forth. Ridicule the Colts for their ignorance, soft dome life and homophobia.

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So Gay-Lussac's (Second) Law says that pressure is inversely proportional to temperature when measured in, say, Kelvins. Freezing (32 Farenheit) is 273 Kelvins, while a lowish room temperature (68 Farenheit) would be 20 Kelvins more. Got it. Thanks for pointing me in that direction, guys.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...-ball-after-jackson-pick?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

So according to this, the problem was noticed after the brady interception. You know, the one that led to a score, tying the game 7-7. So if that's the case, one has to assume that from that moment forward the colts made the refs aware of this. Thus making it an irrelevant situation.

Also, why do I OR ANYONE have to take the colts word that THEY did nothing to the ball that was in THEIR possession for how long before this story broke?

I'm not buying it.

festy1986 said:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...-ball-after-jackson-pick?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

So according to this, the problem was noticed after the brady interception. You know, the one that led to a score, tying the game 7-7. So if that's the case, one has to assume that from that moment forward the colts made the refs aware of this. Thus making it an irrelevant situation.

Also, why do I OR ANYONE have to take the colts word that THEY did nothing to the ball that was in THEIR possession for how long before this story broke?

I'm not buying it.

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The Jackson INT occurred when we were up 14-0 and driving for yet another score with about 5 min remaining in the first half.

They were running the ball very well and Brady decided to take a very stupid shot in the middle of double coverage with an underthrown ball.

Which makes things even stranger, because if the ball was doctored, why would Brady decide to put it in the air like that? None of it makes sense, and it would really be nice if the NFL to take care of this immediately.

supafly said:

The Jackson INT occurred when we were up 14-0 and driving for yet another score with about 5 min remaining in the first half.

They were running the ball very well and Brady decided to take a very stupid shot in the middle of double coverage with an underthrown ball.

Which makes things even stranger, because if the ball was doctored, why would Brady decide to put it in the air like that? None of it makes sense, and it would really be nice if the NFL to take care of this immediately.

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That's right. I guess with all the scoring I forgot.

festy1986 said:

That's right. I guess with all the scoring I forgot.

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I'm sorry. I wasn't meaning to nitpick as much as I was meaning to point out how bad of a decision that it was, and why it doesn't make any sense to see Brady throw the ball there (if it really had been doctored).

So the claim is that Tom Brady's balls were more useful than Andrew Luck's?

supafly said:

I'm sorry. I wasn't meaning to nitpick as much as I was meaning to point out how bad of a decision that it was, and why it doesn't make any sense to see Brady throw the ball there (if it really had been doctored).

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No offense taken. Personally, even if the ball was doctored, I don't care.

It's funny, we lose 2 afc championships in a row and not one word about us cheating but a team that pats have blown out by 22 points or more 3 times in a row and people are looking for reasons why.

Why wouldn't the pats employ this technique against the ravens or broncos? Or the colts when they had manning?

Also, brady under threw at least two balls yesterday badly, prolly more. So I'm supposed to believe the pats are A. Dumb enough to try and cheat with the nfl just looking to break them, and B. Even DUMBER for throwing the ball down field known they are using a ball that doesn't have the proper inflation to fly the way brady wants it to?

Say what you want about bill and you can say alot but being a dumb ass isn't one of them.

What was the chain of custody after the Jackson interception?? That alone makes this evidence unusable.

Maybe the reason why it was intercepted or poorly thrown is because it was not inflated correctly, Zolak yesterday claimed it is easier to throw an properly inflated ball than and under inflated ball.

Of course they are discussing the USC incident in 2012 when they used underinflated balls..

There must be sideline camera's of all of this... so will be difficult to hide any misbehavior..

Buckley weighs in..

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/steve_buckley/2015/01/buckley_deflategate_overinflated

Either way, it must be awful to be a Colts fan today. Your team gets croaked in the AFC title game, and you’re being asked to believe it wasn’t bad football ... but bad footballs.

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As does Eric Wilbur..

http://www.boston.com/sports/column...triots_ways_of_cheatin.html?p1=feature_sec_hp

Trickery. Deception. Cheating. These are the ways of Bill Belichick’s Patriots, the perception New England has earned in an NFL that is otherwise polished and clean with innocence.

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Mort: " a number of footballs were found to be underinflated"

Hope he is wrong.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots

They should suE Mortenson when the results come back demonstrating that there was nothing wrong with the footballs. He started they were underinflated with nothing to support that. Time for the Patriots to stop eating **** simply because others are allowed to sling it.

Triumph said:

Mort: " a number of footballs were found to be underinflated"

Hope he is wrong.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots

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Mortensen? Never.

I'm confused. Isn't the story really that the Patriots were hurt by the underinflated football? Brady underthrew that ball that was picked off by Jackson.

Completely different report from Ian rapoport where he say it was just one ball.

Both Rapsheet & more importantly, Dean Blandino said 1 ball was taken out of circulation.

Florio & Mort say several.

Who are you really going to believe here?

Big-T said:

Both Rapsheet & more importantly, Dean Blandino said 1 ball was taken out of circulation.

Florio & Mort say several.

Who are you really going to believe here?

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Technically, it was multiple balls taken out of circulation. Here's the one Revis took out of circulation:

skspikex2 said:

Completely different report from Ian rapoport where he say it was just one ball.

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They are conflating the fact that a ball or two are being checked with a claim that they know the results of that get when no one else does.


Once again, drunken drug adled Jim Irsay made a claim that the league has to look into and then told Bob Kravits the league was investigating the Patriots and it is being portrayed as though they did something to the footballs when in truth there has been zero factual evidence to support that claim.